Greece, History, Truth

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by NikodimMKD

"But the revival was only for a time, and, in spite of Greek struggles, at the end of the tenth century Sclavonians formed almost the entire population of Macedonia, Epirus, continental Greece and the Peloponnese"

So based on this, are we too from the Sclavonians if according to this they formed almost the entire population of Macedonia?

Doesn't this passage hurt us more than it helps us?

Let me reply to your question on face value Nikodim.
What it tells us is that this fact is even more devastating to Greeks and Albanians than Macedonians. That the people in Epirus, continental Greece and the Peloponnese who call themselves Greeks nowadays are simply impostors.

When the Greeks are willing to adopt the true language of their people ... they should look North to Macedonia who carries the torch for all southern slavic nations ... Greece included. That Greece did not remain a bastion of slavic pride is more to do with the Patriarchate church than anything else.

Macedonians speak the language of their ancestors. Greeks don't. Who is this more devastating for?

We are led to believe Hungarians do not speak a form of Pannonian. It really does not matter in my opinion. Honesty in relation to identity is far more important.

If we are to accept the slavic migration theory, then the suggestion that the 6th century slavs "ate" the real Macedonians to completely eliminate them by the 10th century is a ridiculous assumption. That the Macedonians adopted the new language is more plausible. We know the Bulgarians accepted the language of the Macedonians 100 years after their arrival without much persuasion. Of course nobody has bothered to reveal the mystery of the populous Thracians and their ancient language. That they were regarded as kin to Macedonians is telling as to why Greece has not been eager to reveal its findings.

I have this Greek friend of a friend. My mate loves him. I found him immensely irritating. He tried to call me Greek (once) .... I suggested very quietly to him that I would extract his albano/slavic heart and hand it to him. Do you think he would be pleased to read his people were gone and replaced with the Sclavonians of the 10th century? Would it be damaging to him? Would it be more (or less) damaging than telling a Macedonian he speaks a Slavic language?

[indigen]

"..John of Amida also known as John of Ephesus records that in 581

"…an accursed people, called Slavonians, overran the whole of
Greece……and captured the cities, and took numerous forts, and
devastated and burnt, and reduced the people to slavery, and
made themselves masters of the whole country, and settled in
it by main force, and dwelt in it as though it had been their
own. ... And even to this day [584 AD], they still encamp and dwell
there, and live in peace in the Roman territories, free from anxiety
and fear, and lead captive and slay and burn..."

Another source, the so-called Chronicle of Monembasia, states that
in the year 587—8 the Turkic Avars (with whom the Slavs were
usually allied)

"…..captured all of Thessaly and all of Greece, Old Epirus, Attica
and Euboea. Indeed, they attacked the Peloponnese and took it by war;
and after expelling and destroying the native Hellenic peoples, they
dwelt there. Those who were able to escape their murderous hands were
scattered here and there. Thus, the citizens of Patras moved to the
district of Reggio in Calabria, the Argives to the island called Orobe,
the Corinthians to the island of Aegina.... Only the eastern part of
the Peloponnese, from Corinth to Cape Maleas, was untouched by the
Slavonians because of the rough and inaccessible nature of the
country... "

[Cyril Mango, BYZANTIUM: THE EMPIRE OF NEW ROME]

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by makedonche

SoM - I have learnt more from this website in 6 months than I have in 20 years of western education! The heading shouldn't be used all in one - how can Greece & Truth be used in the same sentence.

That is the question.

The Greeks will by pass the truth if they have to. Political power, or public opinion, is worth more to them than any leaning toward some kind of truth.

When the New Greeks invaded, it was an invasion of conquest. They planned to wipe us out. They nearly have - with Europe watching the whole time.

[NikodimMKD]

If the Albanians and greeks are really Slavs ethnically, why do they not speak in a tongue which is part of the Slavic linguistic group?

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by NikodimMKD

If the Albanians and greeks are really Slavs ethnically, why do they not speak in a tongue which is part of the Slavic linguistic group?

We have Turkish nationals who arrived in Macedonia 80 odd years ago who are now ethnically Greek .... who call themselves Macedonian. It would appear anything is possible.

I have no idea of what you mean by "ethnic Slavs", it is a very stupid description that only has relevance in Greece. And we know they are ethnically challenged at the best of times. Please clarify what you mean with your borrowed term "ethnic Slavs".

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by NikodimMKD

If the Albanians and greeks are really Slavs ethnically, why do they not speak in a tongue which is part of the Slavic linguistic group?

Nikodim, are you an "ethnic Slav"?

[TrueMacedonian]

The Balkans, by Dennis Hupchick.

[TrueMacedonian]

page 172

[I of Macedon]

“But a history that does not change, that reduces all the complexities of social, political, and cultural change, to a single, eternal moment, isn’t history at all.”

No, its not history and its not a freak of nature, its a mad scientific social and cultural experiment on a mass scale. Erasing and/or altering the last 1000 years or so, then molding that with ones, one way interpretations of ancient history and bringing it forward with all its complexities into the modern day. Isn’t history.

However acknowledging the complexities of human history and accepting social, political and cultural changes that have transpired (or least known to have transpired) throughout mankinds history, that is at least to me history and one that can't or at least shouldn't be ignored.



Good post TM

[chicagoan]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

We have Turkish nationals who arrived in Macedonia 80 odd years ago who are now ethnically Greek .... who call themselves Macedonian. It would appear anything is possible.

I have no idea of what you mean by "ethnic Slavs", it is a very stupid description that only has relevance in Greece. And we know they are ethnically challenged at the best of times. Please clarify what you mean with your borrowed term "ethnic Slavs".

turkish nationals ? would I be considered a turkish national since a part of my family is from Constantinople ? Asia Minor was and is a huge part of the hellenic ethnos. Turks are just a small part of that history in that area if you look at the big picture. I find it kind of funny how ppl take this out of context.

Most aegean turks have a hellenic backgroud since a lot of muslim greeks were left behind. They come to identify themselves as " turks " now. So when you say we have turkish descent in us...you actually mean the other way around. We have to clear up a lot of misconceptions to go forward. Ppl have to lighten up too...nobody is pure in the balkans. Dont delude yourselves into thinking you ppl are purebred or something.

Hispanics are considered an ethnic group in the USA, so NO...this is not relevent just in Greece.