The Macedonian Minority in Bulgaria

[EgejskaMakedonia]

If there are currently 5 million ethnic Bulgarians in Bulgaria, I find it extremely hard to believe that there will only be around 800,000 left in 40 years time.
Unless the life expectancy in Bulgaria is on par with some African nations, and the gypsies mix with the ethnic Bulgarians and eventually extinguish their identity, I find this very hard to believe.

Gypsies are renowned to breed like rabbits, but to increase their numbers by that proportion and to overtake the main ethnic group in hte country is pretty stupid. Maybe in the long-term, but not in 40 years.

Maybe if the gypsies do take over Bulgaria, they will seek help on running 'their' country and give us back Pirin to manage.

[julie]

Power to the gypsies, may Pirin be under Macedonia again !!

[TrueMacedonian]

Power to the gypsies, may Pirin be under Macedonia again !!

Here, here

[George S.]

well every dog will have his day.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

If there are currently 5 million ethnic Bulgarians in Bulgaria

Don't forget that they count Macedonians as ethnic bulgarians. They could be counting other minorities as ethnic bulgarians so they have bigger number in the statistics.

I find it extremely hard to believe that there will only be around 800,000 left in 40 years time.

Thousands and thousands of bulgarians are leaving the country just like Macedonians are leaving Macedonia. Macedonia will become shiptar majority by 2050 because their birth rate is a lot higher and they pay/brainwash other minorities to identify themselves as ethnic albanians.

So don't get your hopes up and think that we are gonna get Pirin back. First you need to think how are we going to survive the "greater albania propaganda" and the next war to keep our country and deport shiptars that think about doing bad stuff to Macedonia and Macedonians.

[MKPrilep]

vo pravo si DirtyCodingHabitz
iskreno neznam zosto tolku mnogu se raduvate
oti za steta kaj nas ne e poarno
samo albancite i ciganite dobivat deca
nasite maksilmano 1 do 2, ako se odlucat da dobivat
a tie do 5 sekako
nikogas nema da gi stasame

[Onur]

Originally Posted by Pelister

I had no idea there were over a million ethnic Turks in Bulgaria, a few more million of each and Bulgaria will be in serious trouble.

There was about one million Turks in Bulgaria 100 years ago too but Bulgarians always managed to keep the number of Turks below one million by doing ethnic cleansing in every 30-40 years of periods.

About 500.000 people immigrated to Turkey from Bulgaria in Balkan wars, then about same number of people immigrated into western Europe and Turkey to escape from communist regime after few decades and finally, they`ve forcefully expelled about 350.000 of them in 1989. They expelled the ones who didn't obey their assimilation attempts. After the expulsion, they changed the names of remaining 400.000 Turks with slavic names in an overnight.

So, Bulgarians always concentrated on keeping the number of Turks low in their country but it looks like they forgot the Gypsies

Originally Posted by DirtyCodingHabitz

Don't forget that they count Macedonians as ethnic bulgarians. They could be counting other minorities as ethnic bulgarians so they have bigger number in the statistics.

You are right. That number, five million Bulgarians includes Gagauz Turks, Pomaks, Macedonians and other non-Bulgar people too. So we can surely say that the Bulgars are no more than four million in Bulgaria and these people are mostly elders.



Btw, their demographic catastrophe was the reason of their sale of BG passports to Macedonians and Gagauz in Moldavia. They think that they can improve the rate of Bulgars by inviting 1000s of Macedonians and Gagauz to Bulgaria but i think this wont help them either cuz these people just see BG passport as a step to go western Europe and they wont stay in Bulgaria either, just like the most of young Bulgarians.

So, they are in deep trouble.

[fyrOM]

Haha. The Bulgarians are already gypsies. A country just for gypsies as suggested as an alterior motive would not work because the country has limited resources and could only sustain leaching off it for a limited time so they would need to go to the west to find another teat to suckle from. Unless ofcourse the west realising this would rather keep funding their welfare so long as they just stay away.

[Onur]

Btw, another interesting point about the Turks in Bulgaria;

IMHO, as much as they wanna prepare another exodus for the Turks in Bulgaria cuz the population of Turkish people in there reached to a million again, they cant do that easily anymore.

Because, according to latest announcement from World Bank, Bulgaria is one of Europe's biggest recipients of remittances and these remittances from migrant workers are a lifeline to large sections of the Bulgarian economy.

Guess where is that money come from? Ofc Turkey because at least 1-2 person from every Turkish family in Bulgaria, lives and works in Turkey and some of them works in Germany and because of the ridiculously low pension rates in Bulgaria, all these people sends money to Bulgarian banks to contribute their family members who remained in there.

Check this out;

Bulgarians Living Abroad to Send Home USD 1.6 billion in 2010
Bulgaria remains one of Europe's biggest recipients of remittances in 2010, according to the latest "Migration and Remittances Factbook" by the World Bank.

Based on the country rankings shown in the report, remittances to Bulgaria are estimated to reach nearly USD 1.6 billion for the entire 2010, staying more or less flat over the previous year, when migrants sent home remittances to the order of an estimated 5.3% of GDP.

Remittances from migrant workers are a lifeline to large sections of the Bulgarian economy, particularly the retail trade and the housing market.

The biggest Bulgarian communities are based in Spain, Germany, Greece, Italy, Romania and Turkey.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=122021

EMIGRATION, 2010
■■Stock of emigrants: 1,200.6 thousands
■■Stock of emigrants as percentage of population: 16.0%
■■Top destination countries: Turkey, Spain, Germany, Greece, Italy, Moldova, the United Kingdom, the United States, Romania, Canada

SKILLED EMIGRATION, 2000
■■ Emigration rate of tertiary-educated population: 6.6%
■■ Emigration of physicians: 814 or 2.9% of physicians trained in the country

IMMIGRATION, 2010
■■Stock of immigrants: 107.2 thousands
■■Stock of immigrants as percentage of population: 1.4%
■■ Females as percentage of immigrants: 57.9%
■■Refugees as percentage of immigrants: 4.4%
■■Top source country: Turkey

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/I...6/Bulgaria.pdf

As you can see, top destination for both emigrants and immigrants are Turkey. Actually, no one in Turkey immigrates in to Bulgaria. These immigrants are the ones who expelled to Turkey in 1989 and they are citizen of Turkey now because these ~350.000 people has been disqualified from Bulgaria citizenship by Bulgar authorities and they are formally counted as immigrants if they go to their family in Bulgaria.


So, if Bulgars expels Turks again, then they wont be able to get any money from the Turkish people outside Bulgaria(mainly from Turkey) and this can seriously damage their already poor economy. For example, my brother`s mother in law in Bulgaria gets about 100$ as a retired pension and my brother`s wife and her brother sends them about 400-500$ from Turkey to their bank account in Bulgaria every month. This is the case with nearly all the one million Bulgaria citizen Turks.

I know some Bulgars, especially fascist clowns like VMRO-BG and ATAKA wanna set up another exodus for the Turks in Bulgaria but even in the exodus of 1989, it was them who lost qualified people because i know that there are many 1989 immigrants from Bulgaria working in Turkish universities today and they studied with strict communist education and they are still hard workers here and they contribute Turkey`s development. So, if Bulgars do that again, this time their loss would be much bigger than 1989.

[optimist]

The "professors" that made the scientific research aren't actually demographic professors, but professors from political parties. One of the scientists was the vice-president of a nationalist party I think. Also, the gypsies are 370 000 since the beggining of 2001 and they don't have that much babies as before. Also, real professors on demography are saying that it's a lie and that it's impossible to happen. And Bulgarians are real Bulgarians, the Gagaus, Macedonians and etc. are regarded as seporate ethnic groups, no way we're 5 million. I'd also be worried not about Bulgaria, but about Macedonia , which has 30% Albanians who are growing in numbers every year....