Russia, Ukraine and the West

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

https://www.kmu.gov.ua/en/news/minis...paniyeyu-svitu



Sovereignty in the arse.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Is that what Ukraine winning looks like...?

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

It's what USA winning looks like. (No matter the outcome in Ukraine)

Who, according to you, is allowed to invest in Ukraine? Do they need to be backed by the Kremlin?

[Risto the Great]

Anyone is allowed.
It doesn't always have to be the USA though.
If you can't see that as compromised sovereignty, then I think you might have some definitional problems.

In particular, the agreement signed on November 10, 2022 in Washington, DC, provides that BlackRock’s Financial Markets Advisory will consult the Ministry of Economy on creation of a roadmap for the implementation of an investment platform, which will primarily attract private capital. This includes the structure of the platform, its mandate and governance.

If Macedonia allowed an American corporation to handle its "governance" on such critical matters, you would agree with me about the disgraceful lack of sovereignty. But you just can't seem to help yourself here. The paint is dry, you can leave the corner you've painted yourself into. Come give me a hug.

[Risto the Great]

Difficult to verify. Google warned me the web page was not secure. Their oh so subtle censorship.
Some warm fuzzy feelings following:
https://infobrics.org/post/36302/

US corporations own around 30% of Ukrainian arable land
Drago Bosnic, independent geopolitical and military analyst

The destruction and plunder of Ukraine have been old news for quite some time now, unfortunately. However, the media and the public have only scratched the surface of the sheer scale of this process. With the territory of modern-day Ukraine being the breadbasket of Europe (and beyond) for millennia, the country has been the target of various agricultural corporations, particularly those originating in the political West. In recent years, especially after the Neo-Nazi coup in 2014, foreign corporations acquired Ukrainian fields, depriving the country of any control over its food exports and even domestic food supply.

Corporations such as "Cargill", "DuPont" and "Monsanto" (which is formally a German-Australian company, but essentially an American one) are among the most prominent owners of Ukrainian arable land. In addition, corporations like "Vanguard", "Blackrock" and "Blackstone" are among the largest shareholders in the aforementioned agricultural giants, owning trillions in assets. For instance, "Blackrock" is a fund that manages assets worth over $10 trillion, with "Vanguard" controlling at least six and "Blackstone" managing up to $1 trillion. Together, the three massive US multinational corporations ("Cargill", "DuPont" and "Monsanto") own over 17 million hectares of Ukraine's arable land.

In comparison, the whole of Italy has 16.7 million hectares of agricultural land. In short, the three American corporations own more usable agricultural land in Ukraine than what the whole country of Italy has. The entire area of Ukraine is approximately 600,000 square km. Out of that land area, 170,000 square km have been acquired by foreign corporations, the vast majority Western, particularly those based in or financed by the US. Since the new law on the sale of agricultural land passed by the Kiev regime entered into full force approximately one year ago, to this day, the three large multinational consortia financed with US capital have acquired well over a quarter of Ukrainian arable land. A report by the Australian National Review states that the three US corporations managed to acquire 17 out of the 62 million hectares of agricultural land in less than a year. This made it possible for them to control 28% of the total arable land in Ukraine.

After the law on the sale of agricultural land was passed and went into effect on July 1, 2021, the cost per hectare was approximately $2.500, but soon soared up to $10.000. Up to that point, a piece of land larger than two hectares could only be rented by foreigners. But, after the Neo-Nazi junta took power, combined with a steady price increase for arable land, the law was changed and the two-decades-long moratorium on the sale of agricultural land to foreigners was lifted. Prior to this decision, governments were reluctant to allow it, as the move was always seen as extremely unpopular with the Ukrainian people. During his presidential campaign, Vladimir Zelensky said that he planned to organize a national referendum to resolve this issue "once and for all". However, no such vote was ever cast.

An April 2021 report by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), one of the largest foreign creditors of the Kiev regime, made the lifting of the moratorium a condition for its then-loan package and claimed that economic output would allegedly grow from 6% to more than 12% over the next decade, depending on how the reform is implemented. Despite widespread opposition to lifting the ban on land sales, the excuse was found in the fact that too much time had passed without the Rada (Parliament) establishing a transparent mechanism for the sale of land, which was one of the provisions of the 2001 law.

In one of the public opinion polls from the time of discussions on lifting the moratorium, it was clear that at least 81% of respondents were against the sale of land to foreigners, while only 13% supported it. As many as two-thirds of respondents believed that a decision of such importance for the state should have been made after a referendum. Nearly 60% believed that agricultural land should be owned by the state, as is the case in Canada or Israel.

Official statistics in 2021 indicated that approximately 30% of the 43.6 million Ukrainians lived in rural areas. According to data from the US Department of Commerce and the World Bank, the agricultural industry in Ukraine employs more than 14% of the workforce, while agricultural products form the largest share of Ukraine's exports. During the Soviet era, farms were collectivized and owned by the state. After the collapse of the USSR, the land was distributed to the employees who worked on state farms. However, the legal aspects of such a transfer were never fully regulated, much less implemented. Soon followed a brief period during which the sale of land to foreigners was allowed, but then, the 2001 moratorium was passed.

The plunder of Ukraine's arable land also perfectly explains the sudden "concern" of the political West and its numerous satellite states for the export of grains and other food commodities from the country, all under the convenient pretext of "feeding the world". In reality, the governments in the political West were worried about the profits of their financial backers, most of whom are massive multinational corporations whose main drive is profit. Thus, the Ukrainian people have not only been quite literally robbed of the lands their ancestors gave their lives for, but now they're effectively dying in battle to make sure this theft continues unabated.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Difficult to verify. Google warned me the web page was not secure. Their oh so subtle censorship.
Some warm fuzzy feelings following:
https://infobrics.org/post/36302/

Its actually pretty easy to verify. You just need to go beyond your usual tin foil hat websites.

Drago Bosnic, independent geopolitical and military analyst

He's an independent analyst. Must be good. Can't be bought with a salary...or maybe no one's offering money for his BS.

A report by the Australian National Review states that the three US corporations managed to acquire 17 out of the 62 million hectares of agricultural land in less than a year. This made it possible for them to control 28% of the total arable land in Ukraine.

I know Drago is an independent analyst and ANR is an independent media site, but according to the World Bank (and therefore Ukraine, because each country self-reports), Ukraine only has 32.9 million hectares of arable land (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...A?locations=UA). Not 62 million hectares. Maybe Drago made a typo? Either way, doesn't do much for his credibility. I believe the Ukrainian Government figure of how much arable land Ukraine has over Drago Bosnic's estimation.

According to the Land Matrix, only 3.3 million hectares of Ukranian land is controlled by foreign investors. That is 10 per cent in total. Not 30% owned by American corporations alone. https://landmatrix.org/resources/ukr...ign-investors/

Neo-Nazi junta

Only someone with a name like Drago Bosnic could claim that a Jewish comedian could be a neo-Nazi running a Nazi regime. Maybe Drago Bosnic was once a comedian?

In particular, the agreement signed on November 10, 2022 in Washington, DC, provides that BlackRock’s Financial Markets Advisory will consult the Ministry of Economy on creation of a roadmap for the implementation of an investment platform, which will primarily attract private capital. This includes the structure of the platform, its mandate and governance.

Sounds like their building an investment website or app. From what from I can tell, the Ukrainian Government hired a consultant to advise on attracting foreign investment and building an associated platform for investors to go through.

Government's all over the world hire private sector consultants every single day. Nothing here says that this consultant will have any decision-making power. What it does say is they're advising on the structure, mandate and governance of the platform. There's a lack of detail, but I'm guessing there will be some sort of board or commission to oversee foreign investments and the consultant is advising on the structure, mandate and governance of this board or commission. The Australian, state and territory governments are always brining in private sector consultants as independent advisors when establishing governance structures for various entities, committees, commissions etc. They even hire private sector lawyers. If they didn't, you'd bitch and complain that government wasn't transparent and accountable...oh wait, you do. You like to have your cake and eat it.

You're constantly posting random shit you find on the internet. Maybe you should take some time to fact check it yourself.

[Carlin]

Breaking: Senior U.S. intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing 2 people - AP

[Risto the Great]

Still no hug, Vangelovski?

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Its actually pretty easy to verify. You just need to go beyond your usual tin foil hat websites.

He's an independent analyst. Must be good. Can't be bought with a salary...or maybe no one's offering money for his BS.

I know Drago is an independent analyst and ANR is an independent media site, but according to the World Bank (and therefore Ukraine, because each country self-reports), Ukraine only has 32.9 million hectares of arable land (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...A?locations=UA). Not 62 million hectares. Maybe Drago made a typo? Either way, doesn't do much for his credibility. I believe the Ukrainian Government figure of how much arable land Ukraine has over Drago Bosnic's estimation.

According to the Land Matrix, only 3.3 million hectares of Ukranian land is controlled by foreign investors. That is 10 per cent in total. Not 30% owned by American corporations alone. https://landmatrix.org/resources/ukr...ign-investors/

I'm saying someone stole your house and you're worried about how big it is.

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Only someone with a name like Drago Bosnic could claim that a Jewish comedian could be a neo-Nazi running a Nazi regime. Maybe Drago Bosnic was once a comedian?

You don't do funny. I do. There's a knack to it. Funnier is the denial about neo-nazi links to the Ukraine government.

Notwithstanding any of that, would the eager performers at www.understandingwar.org be any less motivated to conduct their own agendas?

Sounds like their building an investment website or app. From what from I can tell, the Ukrainian Government hired a consultant to advise on attracting foreign investment and building an associated platform for investors to go through.

Government's all over the world hire private sector consultants every single day. Nothing here says that this consultant will have any decision-making power. What it does say is they're advising on the structure, mandate and governance of the platform. There's a lack of detail, but I'm guessing there will be some sort of board or commission to oversee foreign investments and the consultant is advising on the structure, mandate and governance of this board or commission. The Australian, state and territory governments are always brining in private sector consultants as independent advisors when establishing governance structures for various entities, committees, commissions etc. They even hire private sector lawyers. If they didn't, you'd bitch and complain that government wasn't transparent and accountable...oh wait, you do. You like to have your cake and eat it.

You must have missed the part where it is a corporation from the USA who will be handling all this. Thanks for your guesses though. You're a trusting soul. You're just making excuses now. I'm starting to think you wouldn't know sovereignty even if an American was signing your payroll cheques.

And when I'm talking about Blackrock, it is one of those corporations with a noose around the UN's neck. You know, that stuff you had no idea about a couple of weeks ago. I've replaced my tin foil hat with a titanium hat in anticipation - quality Russian titanium.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

I'm saying someone stole your house and you're worried about how big it is.

You don't have any evidence that anyone stole anything. Just the ramblings of some random guy on the internet.

You don't do funny. I do. There's a knack to it. Funnier is the denial about neo-nazi links to the Ukraine government.

Sure.

You must have missed the part where it is a corporation from the USA who will be handling all this.

And? Would you have objected to a Sudanese corporation? A Russian one? A Chinese one? A German one? Or just objecting to an American one?

Thanks for your guesses though. You're a trusting soul. You're just making excuses now. I'm starting to think you wouldn't know sovereignty even if an American was signing your payroll cheques.

The only educated guess I made was that there will be some sort of board or commission overseeing the investment platform for foreign investment. That's pretty standard. Every country has one. Why wouldn't Ukraine? Nothing in that announcement even remotely suggests that Blackrock will have a decision-making role over anything.

And when I'm talking about Blackrock, it is one of those corporations with a noose around the UN's neck. You know, that stuff you had no idea about a couple of weeks ago. I've replaced my tin foil hat with a titanium hat in anticipation - quality Russian titanium.

I haven't looked any further into that, but judging from the crap you post on here I'm thinking its more tin foil hat stuff. I also fact-checked the Russian titanium crap you posted further back for you. Maybe you missed it. You were wrong again.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

I haven't looked any further into that, but judging from the crap you post on here I'm thinking its more tin foil hat stuff. I also fact-checked the Russian titanium crap you posted further back for you. Maybe you missed it. You were wrong again.

I think you're barely thinking.

But maybe it's nothing. Go and ask Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab at the G20 to clarify the WEF position. Let me know who voted them in while you're at it.

Gates is American, so that makes it all good. You definitely wouldn't question his agenda, would you? If only we were all into his brand of philanthropy.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

The only educated guess I made was that there will be some sort of board or commission overseeing the investment platform for foreign investment. That's pretty standard. Every country has one. Why wouldn't Ukraine? Nothing in that announcement even remotely suggests that Blackrock will have a decision-making role over anything.

You chose not to compare Macedonia's lack of sovereignty with that of Ukraine. The USA is clearly in control of Macedonia. What naive drug induced expedition makes you believe Ukraine is any better in this regard?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Carlin

Breaking: Senior U.S. intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing 2 people - AP

Premature speculation…on the back of US administration & Polish administration commentary not pointing the finger at Russia and conversely the Baltic states and Zelensky screaming Article 5 from the rooftops would suggest a Ukrainian air defense malfunction.