Gordias and Midas

Rogi · 08-26-2019, 07:47 AM

I'm looking for more info on these two, particularly on Gordias (of Gordian knot fame) who was the father of the famed King Midas and was said to be a poor farmer from Macedonia, and Midas is said to have had a garden in Macedonia, anyone have more detail on this?

sydney · 08-28-2019, 12:13 AM

Hey Rogi, interesting topic. I’ve never really looked into it but this prompted me to do so. Have you seen this article: Alexander, Midas, and the Oracle at Gordium by Ernest A. Fredricksmeyer

https://www.jstor.org/stable/265752?...n_tab_contents

A ‘Macedonian tradition’ of the Brygian/Phrygian king that was forced out of Macedonia and into Asia Minor. It makes one further question what constituted Macedonia as a nation in those times. These people - Brygians, Paeonians, Thracians, Macedonians (and others) - were most probably kin.

sydney · 08-28-2019, 12:33 AM

Another useful paper to read: Midas and the Gordian Knot by Lynn E. Roller

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2501081...n_tab_contents

Rogi · 08-28-2019, 07:15 AM

Thanks sydney, that's a helpful paper.

Following all that, the suggestion or implication is that the Phrygians were originally from Macedonia and migrated to what would later be known as Phrygia.

Carlin15 · 09-22-2019, 11:58 AM

1) Plato, Cratylus - Socrates comments on Phrygian.

URL:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...section%3D410a

Socrates
Well, this word πῦρ is probably foreign; for it is difficult to connect it with the Greek language, and besides, the Phrygians have the same word, only slightly altered. The same is the case with ὕδωρ (water), κύων (dog), and many other words.

2) BRYGI

URL:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...ry%3Dbrygi-geo

Eth. BRYGI (Eth. Βρύγοι), called BRIGES (Βρίγες) by the Macedonians, a Thracian people dwelling in Macedonia, north of Beroea in the neighbourhood of Mt. Bermius. They attacked the army of Mardonius, when he was marching through Macedonia into Greece in B.C. 492. (Hdt. 6.45, 7.73, 185; Strab. vii. pp. 295, 330; Steph. B. sub voce Βρίγες.) It was generally believed that a portion of this Thracian people emigrated to Asia Minor, where they were known under the name of Phrygians. (Hdt. 7.73; Strab. ll. cc.) [PHRYGIA] Stephanus mentions two Macedonian towns, Brygias (Βρυγίας) and Βρύγιον), which were apparently situated in the territory of the Brygi.
Some of the Brygi were also settled in Illyricum, where they dwelt apparently north of Epidamnus. Strabo assigns to them a town Cydriae. (Strab. vii. pp. 326, 327; Appian, App. BC 2.39.)

Rogi · 11-08-2019, 04:28 PM

Many of these mentions speak of the Rose Gardens of Midas, in Macedonia. From what I've read, they'd have been somewhere near Ber (Veria).

Have those "rose gardens of Midas" been located?

08-26-2019, 07:47 AM	#1
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,321	Gordias and Midas I'm looking for more info on these two, particularly on Gordias (of Gordian knot fame) who was the father of the famed King Midas and was said to be a poor farmer from Macedonia, and Midas is said to have had a garden in Macedonia, anyone have more detail on this?

09-22-2019, 11:58 AM	#5
Carlin15 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,999	1) Plato, Cratylus - Socrates comments on Phrygian. URL: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...section%3D410a Socrates Well, this word πῦρ is probably foreign; for it is difficult to connect it with the Greek language, and besides, the Phrygians have the same word, only slightly altered. The same is the case with ὕδωρ (water), κύων (dog), and many other words. 2) BRYGI URL: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...ry%3Dbrygi-geo Eth. BRYGI (Eth. Βρύγοι), called BRIGES (Βρίγες) by the Macedonians, a Thracian people dwelling in Macedonia, north of Beroea in the neighbourhood of Mt. Bermius. They attacked the army of Mardonius, when he was marching through Macedonia into Greece in B.C. 492. (Hdt. 6.45, 7.73, 185; Strab. vii. pp. 295, 330; Steph. B. sub voce Βρίγες.) It was generally believed that a portion of this Thracian people emigrated to Asia Minor, where they were known under the name of Phrygians. (Hdt. 7.73; Strab. ll. cc.) [PHRYGIA] Stephanus mentions two Macedonian towns, Brygias (Βρυγίας) and Βρύγιον), which were apparently situated in the territory of the Brygi. Some of the Brygi were also settled in Illyricum, where they dwelt apparently north of Epidamnus. Strabo assigns to them a town Cydriae. (Strab. vii. pp. 326, 327; Appian, App. BC 2.39.) Last edited by Carlin15; 09-22-2019 at 12:04 PM.

08-28-2019, 12:13 AM	#2
sydney Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 383	Hey Rogi, interesting topic. I’ve never really looked into it but this prompted me to do so. Have you seen this article: Alexander, Midas, and the Oracle at Gordium by Ernest A. Fredricksmeyer https://www.jstor.org/stable/265752?...n_tab_contents A ‘Macedonian tradition’ of the Brygian/Phrygian king that was forced out of Macedonia and into Asia Minor. It makes one further question what constituted Macedonia as a nation in those times. These people - Brygians, Paeonians, Thracians, Macedonians (and others) - were most probably kin.

08-28-2019, 12:33 AM	#3
sydney Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 383	Another useful paper to read: Midas and the Gordian Knot by Lynn E. Roller https://www.jstor.org/stable/2501081...n_tab_contents

08-28-2019, 07:15 AM	#4
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,321	Thanks sydney, that's a helpful paper. Following all that, the suggestion or implication is that the Phrygians were originally from Macedonia and migrated to what would later be known as Phrygia.

11-08-2019, 04:28 PM	#6
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,321	Many of these mentions speak of the Rose Gardens of Midas, in Macedonia. From what I've read, they'd have been somewhere near Ber (Veria). Have those "rose gardens of Midas" been located?

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