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Old 10-18-2021, 03:24 PM   #461
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Old 10-18-2021, 11:32 PM   #462
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A quote attributed to the local premier Dan Andrews da mu se sotri plemeto:

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Meanwhile, the Premier said Victorians who were unvaccinated would be denied the freedoms enjoyed by vaccinated people well into next year.

“This will be well into 2022. Then we’re going to get into booster issues. That won’t be [about] your first and second dose, it will be, have you had your third? Then the other issue will be, well, who knows what [other] variant is coming?”
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Old 10-19-2021, 12:22 AM   #463
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I used to think Australians wouldn't put up with the notion of "booster" shots. But nowadays they talk about about vaccines and think still being able to catch and transmit diseases after vaccinations is normal. I cannot believe how gullible the general population is.
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Old 10-19-2021, 01:00 AM   #464
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I used to think Australians wouldn't put up with the notion of "booster" shots. But nowadays they talk about about vaccines and think still being able to catch and transmit diseases after vaccinations is normal. I cannot believe how gullible the general population is.
Аnd loving it.

Maybe, most of us don't like to think so if there is no serious opposition to an idea then we go with the flow.

"Victoria on track to pass 90 per cent first dose vaccination coverage by the end of today." Obviously not good enough, therefore, "Victoria has a new $21 million package to get people vaccinated. Premier Daniel Andrews says it's designed to reach people such as those living with a disability, youth who are at risk, seniors, culturally diverse and multi-faith different communities, social housing residents and victims and survivors of family violence."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...nces/100549130

People are singing the praises of NT Chief Minister's (Gunner) response to Ted Cruz - Texas. People are very happy about other's being forced to be vaccinated. As a bonus in the NT not getting vaccinated may get you a fine too.
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COVID19 vs. Flu: Covid is way more infectious, way more deadly and most importantly, no one has resistance to it being a new virus. Hence, within less than 2 years, Covid has caused a minimum of 5M deaths..

Because covid is new, therefore, we first need to develop an acceptable level of herd immunity before going back to normal. This can happen through immunization, which will protect most people and especially the vulnerable, or it can happen naturally, by letting the virus blaze through the community (and kill our old parents and grandparents plus any vulnerable youth in the process).

I think there should be a difference handling people who won't vs., people who medically can't take the vaccine. But still, some limitations, must apply to protect the community.

We still need masks until we reach an acceptable level of herd immunity even if double vaccinated. The vaccine is not a guarantee one cannot catch and transmit covid, but it definitely lessens the risk. It is really about probability.

If people are sick and dying, the economy will drop even more. The economy is made of people willing/capable to trade.

We have all been making sacrifices over the past two years. The selfishness, in my opinion, comes solely from the so called freedom/libertarian block. Especially, those who actually accept vaccines but want to use this opportunity to play the sovereign citizen act. Personally, I have more respect for antivaccers. They are at least in their heads convinced that they protect their health.

Definitely happy with how NZ has fared so far! Especially when compared to the world. It could have been better of course, for instance, they should have started vaccination much earlier!
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Yuri, do you have thoughts on the matter that weren't fed to you by the mainstream media and a government that is guilty of crimes against humanity?
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Old 10-19-2021, 05:36 AM   #467
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COVID19 vs. Flu: Covid is way more infectious, way more deadly and most importantly, no one has resistance to it being a new virus. Hence, within less than 2 years, Covid has caused a minimum of 5M deaths..
The distinction you need to make is the argument of dying with covid OR dying from covid.

For example, the recent passing of Colin Powell has largely been reported in the MSM as a covid death...allegedly he also had other comorbidities -including cancer and Parkinson's disease which both compromise the immune system, throw in his age and possibly very poor recent health and it becomes a dart throwing exercise to determine what actually killed him.
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Because covid is new, therefore, we first need to develop an acceptable level of herd immunity before going back to normal. This can happen through immunization, which will protect most people and especially the vulnerable, or it can happen naturally, by letting the virus blaze through the community (and kill our old parents and grandparents plus any vulnerable youth in the process).
AUG 12 2021
Here’s why herd immunity from Covid is ‘mythical’ with the delta variant

Sir Andrew Pollard, head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, told British lawmakers Tuesday that as Covid vaccines did not stop the spread of the virus entirely — with vaccinated people still able to be infected and transmit the virus — the idea of achieving herd immunity was “mythical.”

“And that does mean that anyone who’s still unvaccinated, at some point, will meet the virus. That might not be this month or next month, it might be next year, but at some point they will meet the virus and we don’t have anything that will stop that transmission.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd...perts-say.html

Therefore, you will not necessarily protect the vulnerable, you just affect the timing. Obviously you need more than the vaccine. As American Doctors have been telling us - treat early.
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...We still need masks until we reach an acceptable level of herd immunity even if double vaccinated. The vaccine is not a guarantee one cannot catch and transmit covid, but it definitely lessens the risk. It is really about probability...
If you think protection from respiratory infection is guaranteed by a cheap, ill fitting, incorrectly worn and shitty mask that you buy in packs of 50, I feel sorry for you.
If you prefer the safety of the designer, handmade face-panty style that matches your favourite frock, you are sadly deluded and you have been misled.

Masking is nothing more than covid theatre.
Mask mandates are used as a psychological trigger to reinforce the mantra of - "we are all in this together" which ultimately creates Stockholm syndrome whereby the citizenry develop a positive acceptance of these ridiculous edicts.

To illustrate the disputed efficacy of masks you only need to review the history and mixed messaging from health bureaucrats the world over...remember when masks were not necessary, I do...remember when double and triple masking was encouraged, I do...I even remember politicians espousing that ANY face covering was acceptable...really, any face covering, including a bandana wrapped around your face was once upon a time a great idea and this was apparently going to stop the virus.

All masks are NOT created equal, they vary greatly in quality and effectiveness and even the highest quality of mask will be rendered useless if it fails to fit the users face almost perfectly.

In hospital settings, individuals go through a comprehensive fitting test to determine which of the many brands of surgical grade masks best fit the unique facial features of each person.

They undergo a process of elimination, trying on brand after brand until suitable masks are identified.
Each mask is tried on and a salt vapour is introduced into a room that simulates an airborne virus, the test mask that the user is wearing is connected to an instrument that detects if the vapour has passed the mask barrier and real-time data is displayed on a computer determining the effectiveness of the particular brand of mask within a defined tolerance range and ultimately the pass or fail result of the mask.

This can be a lengthy process to identify the best fitting mask for the individual as most masks are manufactured on a one-size-fits-all basis whilst no 2 faces are alike.

Even the brand and model of surgical mask that has been identified as best suited to an individuals face can have compromised effectiveness if it is not worn correctly, if the straps are twisted or the periphery of the mask is kinked instead of sitting flush against the wearers cheeks will reduce its effectiveness dramatically.

So what is the effectiveness of the ubiquitous, cheap-arse, ill fitting, blue mask or the designer homemade face-panty, how are they handled, are they worn below the nose or under the chin, how often are they replaced, washed and how are they stored...all of these things matter if you are concerned with infection control, particularly when combatting a virus that has aerosol/airborne/droplet transmission modes (I still don't think they've agreed on its most likely state of transmission)

The threads making up masks were once described at the microscopic level as being similar to the scaffolding that surrounds a building, in relative terms that would make the virus the size of marbles, if you were to throw the marbles (virus) in the direction of the building, occasionally a marble would hit the 'scaffolding' (mask fibres) but the overwhelming majority of marbles would pass through and hit the building...(infect the individual)

The gaps in the cheap blue masks and homemade face-panties are much larger than the tiny size of the virus, factor in the abysmal fit and quality of these masks, the lack of discipline and knowledge of how to wear a mask correctly (by most people) and the whole endeavour becomes nothing better than a futile shit-show...we are muzzled like fucking dogs in the great outdoors and people think wearing masks outside (and while driving a car on their own) is keeping them safe...what a fucking circus.
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^ Further to this, one only needs to see the sorts of masks employed by panel beaters in their spray booths (and how much they cost) to filter out aerosol paint.
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