Kolokotronis the Albanian

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[Carlin]

Repost - Vlachs such as Kolokotronis and Rigas provided leadership in the struggle for independence from the Turks



Source/Link:
http://www.academia.edu/302560/_The_..._the_Evidence_

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by Carlin15

Repost - Vlachs such as Kolokotronis and Rigas provided leadership in the struggle for independence from the Turks



Source/Link:
http://www.academia.edu/302560/_The_..._the_Evidence_

Interesting, do most sources not portray him as an Arvanite? Interesting that this one suggests he is Vlach. Given the population of the Peloponnese at the time, reasonable to assume he may have been both.

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

Interesting, do most sources not portray him as an Arvanite? Interesting that this one suggests he is Vlach. Given the population of the Peloponnese at the time, reasonable to assume he may have been both.

There are NO sources on either, see my posts #29 (when my name was Cultea), #138 and others (this is a 17 pages discussion)

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

There are NO sources on either, see my posts #29 (when my name was Cultea), #138 and others (this is a 17 pages discussion)

Well there's a source right above us saying he was a Vlach and others in this thread saying he was an Arvanite, so how can that be?

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

Well there's a source right above us saying he was a Vlach and others in this thread saying he was an Arvanite, so how can that be?

This is (another) reference of ZERO value. It's not clear what the author claims, but the nickname Bithegouras is actually Albanian, not Vlach. I don't speak any of the two languages, but according to Kolokotronis memoirs this embarrassing nickname was given to his ancestor by an Arvanite and Kolokotronis is actually the Greek translation of it. My English is not very good, I'll just say it means "Kim Kardashian butt".

The 1890s British journal that calls him a "tall Albanian" is the most embarrassing one. This is the equivalent of a 1970s South African journal saying that Hitler was the British Prime Minister.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

This is (another) reference of ZERO value. It's not clear what the author claims, but the nickname Bithegouras is actually Albanian, not Vlach. I don't speak any of the two languages, but according to Kolokotronis memoirs this embarrassing nickname was given to his ancestor by an Arvanite and Kolokotronis is actually the Greek translation of it. My English is not very good, I'll just say it means "Kim Kardashian butt".

The 1890s British journal that calls him a "tall Albanian" is the most embarrassing one. This is the equivalent of a 1970s South African journal saying that Hitler was the British Prime Minister.

So how I am interpreting this is that you do not believe Kolokotronis was anything but a Greek?

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

So how I am interpreting this is that you do not believe Kolokotronis was anything but a Greek?

There isn't any doubt or mystery about his origins. This thread is mostly about internet crap. I've heard argument related to his dress or haircut, the etymology of his family surnames, Vlach legends that Kolokotronis remotely comes from their village etc.

Arvanites, Vlachs, Greeks and Turks were very distinct people by 1820s.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

There isn't any doubt or mystery about his origins. This thread is mostly about internet crap. I've heard argument related to his dress or haircut, the etymology of his family surnames, Vlach legends that Kolokotronis remotely comes from their village etc.

Arvanites, Vlachs, Greeks and Turks were very distinct people by 1820s.

I disagree, there is much doubt and mystery surrounding his origins in my opinion. Are you not just choosing to ignore the sources provided here?

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

I disagree, there is much doubt and mystery surrounding his origins in my opinion. Are you not just choosing to ignore the sources provided here?

No, there's no doubt or mystery mentioned anywhere.