Kolokotronis the Albanian

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Thanks for the welcome SOM. For the simple reason that Macedonia is not being accused of removing any mosques from the Ottoman occupation.

Who mentioned Bulgaria in this thread? Don't thank me, I wasn't welcoming you. Too many times you have come to this forum trying to play some 'good' character while itching to disrespect our people. After you previous BS here I don't believe a word you say, so spare me your reasoning and earn your respect.

[Voltron]

Im justifying the eradification of foreign elements in our land. It is not our historical heritage, it is someone elses.

I will be the first to admit that Christianity damaged many relics from antiquity however Christianity has been an accepted religion in Europe. Not brought in by force in the same manner Islam was.

For the last time, it was Arvanites that have contributed and they hardly recognize themselves along the same ranks with TurkAlbanians.

[vojnik]

Is it really so hard to say 'kosovo'? Why must you keep saying kosova, I'm pretty sure we are writting in english not shiptar...

[Soldier of Macedon]

It bothers me too, he has already been warned not to "Albanise" Macedonian placenames, if Kosovo was in Macedonia, he wouldn't be doing that here.

[Daskalot]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Thanks for the welcome SOM. For the simple reason that Macedonia is not being accused of removing any mosques from the Ottoman occupation.

And how much of Macedonian culture and tradition has been erased from the part of Macedonia that was annexed by Greece since 1913?

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Daskalot

And how much of Macedonian culture and tradition has been erased from the part of Macedonia that was annexed by Greece since 1913?

I dont know Daskalot, Id be lying if I told you I did. Besides, why do we even have to go there again ?

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Who mentioned Bulgaria in this thread? Don't thank me, I wasn't welcoming you. Too many times you have come to this forum trying to play some 'good' character while itching to disrespect our people. After you previous BS here I don't believe a word you say, so spare me your reasoning and earn your respect.

SOM, the reason Bulgaria was mentioned is also for the simple fact we all know how they feel about Ottoman occupation. Its common knowledge.

[Daskalot]

Originally Posted by Voltron

I dont know Daskalot, Id be lying if I told you I did. Besides, why do we even have to go there again ?

We are on a Macedonian forum so it is quite natural to discuss matters from a Macedonian perspective, don't you agree?

[Epirot]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Im justifying the eradification of foreign elements in our land. It is not our historical heritage, it is someone elses.

This does mean that you justify in the same manner the ethnic cleaning of Epirus, Macedonia and Thrace. According to your nationalist ideology, they are supposed to be "foreign elements" in the land which belonged to you since the neolithic period, right!?

I will be the first to admit that Christianity damaged many relics from antiquity however Christianity has been an accepted religion in Europe. Not brought in by force in the same manner Islam was.

You know absolutely nothing about Christianity. Here is an incomplete list of "peaceful spreading" of Christianity across Europe:

Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)
Ancient Pagans

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As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
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Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
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Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
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Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
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Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
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Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
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In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
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In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
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The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]

Mission

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Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
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Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
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Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
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15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
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16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]

Crusades (1095-1291)

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First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
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Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
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9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
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Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
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after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
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Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
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Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
(In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude")
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The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
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Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
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Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
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Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
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Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

For the last time, it was Arvanites that have contributed and they hardly recognize themselves along the same ranks with TurkAlbanians.

Since when, political division mean ethnic division? Why do you ignore the very fact that Muslim Albanians sided with their Orthodox brethren to fought Ottomans?

[Epirot]

Originally Posted by vojnik

Is it really so hard to say 'kosovo'? Why must you keep saying kosova, I'm pretty sure we are writting in english not shiptar...

Is it really hard to not mess yourself in the comments of others? I am following just the Albanian pronunciation of my country. So, I am pretty interested what does this bother you? You can't impose to me how to pronounce the names of countries.

P.S: SoM, I gave my response in the post #68!