The Republic of Macedonia was always member nation of the Yugoslavian Federation!

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  • Daskalot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 4345

    The Republic of Macedonia was always member nation of the Yugoslavian Federation!

    I will here put forward evidence which will show that the Republic of Macedonia was always a member NATION of the Yugoslavian Federation and not a province or the like.

    Here is what the Yugoslav constitutions have to say:

    CONSTITUTION OF THE FEDERATIVE PEOPLE'S
    REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA (1946)

    CONSTITUTION

    PART ONE
    FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES

    CHAPTER I
    THE FEDERATIVE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA

    ARTICLE 1. The Federative People's Republic of Yugoslavia is a federal people's state,
    republican in form, a community of peoples equal in rights who, on the basis of the right to
    self-determination, including the right of separation, have expressed their will to live together
    in a federative state.

    ARTICLE 2. The Federative People's Republic of Yugoslavia is composed of the People's
    Republic of Serbia, the People's Republic of Croatia, the People's Republic of Slovenia, the
    People's Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the People's Republic of Macedonia and the
    People's Republic of Montenegro.

    The People's Republic of Serbia includes the autonomous province of Vojvodina and the
    autonomous Kosovo-Metohijan region.
    CONSTITUTION OF THE SOCIALIST FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA
    Adopted by the Federal People's Assembly April 7, 1963

    PART ONE
    THE SOCIAL AND POLITICAL SYSTEM
    CHAPTER I
    INTRODUCTORY PROVISIONS
    ARTICLE 1. The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is a federal state of voluntarily united and equal peoples and a socialist democratic community based on the powers of the working people and on self-government.
    ARTICLE 2. The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia comprises the socialist republics of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia.
    The territory of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is unified, consisting of the territories of the socialist republics.

    Ustava Socialistične federativne republike Jugoslavije (1974)

    Slovenian original:
    1. člen

    Socialistična federativna republika Jugoslavija je zvezna država kot državna skupnost prostovoljno združenih narodov in njihovih socialističnih republik ter socialističnih avtonomnih pokrajin Kosova in Vojvodine v sestavi Socialistične republike Srbije, ki temelji na oblasti in samoupravljanju delavskega razreda in vseh delovnih ljudi, ter socialistična samoupravna demokratična skupnost delovnih ljudi in občanov ter enakopravnih narodov in narodnosti.

    2. člen
    Republike in pokrajini SFRJ

    Socialistično federativno republiko Jugoslavijo sestavljajo: Socialistična republika Bosna in Hercegovina (1), Socialistična republika Črna gora (4), Socialistična republika Hrvatska (2), Socialistična republika Makedonija (3), Socialistična republika Slovenija (6) in Socialistična republika Srbija (5), kot tudi Socialistična avtonomna pokrajina Kosovo (5a) in Socialistična avtonomna pokrajina Vojvodina (5b), ki sta v sestavi Socialistične republike Srbije.

    English translation:
    1st Article

    Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is a federal state as a national community of voluntarily united nations and their Socialist Socialist Republics and autonomous provinces of Kosovo and Vojvodina in the composition of the Socialist Republic of Serbia, based on self-management authorities and the working class and all working people, and socialist self-governing democratic community of working people and citizens and equal nations and nationalities.

    2 Article
    The Republics and the provinces of Yugoslavia

    Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia consists of: Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina (1), the Socialist Republic of Montenegro (4), Socialist Republic of Croatia (2), Socialist Republic of Macedonia (3), Socialist Republic of Slovenia (6) and the Socialist Republic of Serbia (5) as well as the Socialist Autonomous Province of Kosovo (5a) and the Socialist Autonomous Province of Vojvodina (5b), which is composed of the Socialist Republic of Serbia.
    It is clearly stated that Macedonia was a federal REPUBLIC within Yugoslavia.

    Macedonia as a REPUBLIC have existed since 1946 and not from 1991 which our negaters like to claim.

    Macedonian Truth Organisation
  • slovenec zrinski
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 385

    #2
    Of course you were. Has anyone seriously doubted this?

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    • makedonche
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 3242

      #3
      Well done Daskalie, another nail for the coffins of the doubters and lie spreaders!
      On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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      • Makemustara
        Banned
        • Mar 2010
        • 11

        #4
        And Tito scores again, what a magnificent performance, ladies and gents!!! That's amazing play that the Yugoslavian forward shows tonight.
        Velika Srbija : Free Nations
        many : nil
        It is clearly stated that Macedonia was a federal REPUBLIC within Yugoslavia.
        That's a fact. Although you missed to caps lock another important word.

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        • makedonin
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1668

          #5
          Tststs, very constructive post Makemustara!

          Bulgarian Idiocity scored too, good game!
          To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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          • fyrOM
            Banned
            • Feb 2010
            • 2180

            #6
            The Republic of Macedonia has always been a republic since Yugoslavia albeit a Socialist one. that’s why I have never understood why the name issue exists. Federations usually have clauses for leaving a federation therefore an entity had to exist before it could be in the federation. Was SR Macedonia not registered with the UN in 1946 as a republic. Then does it not follow a republic leaving a federation still is a republic.

            Whether one calls oneself Socialist or Democratic ect should not matter then does it not follow Macedonia should have been able to leave Yugoslavia with her original name SR Macedonia and not FYROM. Was SR Macedonia not registered with the UN correctly or was her membership revoked when leaving Yugoslavia and if so by what right. If the UN had a problem with the name then they should not have accepted SR Macedonia in the first place. Does anyone know how this works.

            I thought a legal entity eg a company can retain its name whether it functions on its own or under a holding company or owned by a trust. If anything id rather Macedonia was known as SR Macedonia than FYROM. We could always work on proving to the world we are capitalists rather than having to prove we are Macedonians.

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            • Sovius
              Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 241

              #7
              According to the New Oxford American Dictionary:

              A nation is a grouping of people who share real (Macedonia) or imagined (Greece) common history, culture, language or ethnic origin, often possessing or seeking its own government. (therefore, not necessarily seeking its own government)

              As the Ilinden Uprising reflected the majority will of the Macedonian people during a certain period in time, as evidenced by its continued celebration by Macedonians the world over, then, using an even stricter definition than the one provided for posterity by the folks over at Oxford, that part of the Macedonian nation which was occupied by the government of Serbia won political autonomy in 1946. The Macedonian nation regained international recognition as a political entity in 1946.

              The Ilinden Uprising also proves that Macedonia was occupied by the Ottoman Empire. Macedonians fought against the Ottoman invasion of Europe and Macedonians fought to end their occupation of Europe. Europeans never forgot who was being put through such a tortured existence until it became economically conducive to do so and now they hold just as much of the blame as Greece.

              According to the UN Charter, it is the will of a people that shall decide on the state and future of their nation; it is, therefore, unnecessary for the Republic of Hellas to recognize Macedonia or any other nation for that matter. It is only necessary that Macedonians recognize their own sovereignty and unalienable identity.

              If the UN actually follows its own principles, should it not be possible then to simply have someone drop a memo off at the UN building in New York to let everyone know that it was just a little misunderstanding, that everything’s been squared away and that they no longer have to behave like a bunch of fools jumping through hoops just to appease a bunch of poorly educated fascists? This whole “dispute” is making humanity look like a bunch of idiots! Where the heck was the UN during the blockade, anyway?

              Ah! Vacationing in Droysenland!

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                #8
                Well said Sovius.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13670

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Makemustara View Post
                  And Tito scores again, what a magnificent performance, ladies and gents!!! That's amazing play that the Yugoslavian forward shows tonight.
                  Velika Srbija : Free Nations
                  many : nil
                  That's a fact. Although you missed to caps lock another important word.
                  Would you like to clarify your statement Bulgar? Please elaborate on your reference to Tito, because you are about one post away from being sent back to the Steppes.
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • Serdarot
                    Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 605

                    #10
                    If we see it LEGALY, Narodna Republika Makedonija (Peoples Republic of Macedonia) was in federation with the rest of the Republics not as 1 of 6, but as Independant State in Association / Federation with another Federation.

                    We were the only one´s who had SEPARATE Congress (ASNOM) , and the rest had AVNOJ.

                    I dont see any reason to devalve that to "1of6"

                    pozdrav
                    Bratot:
                    Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                    • osiris
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1969

                      #11
                      what is a bulgarian i am still to be informed by the bugaromani in bugaria how they justify using that name.

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                      • makedonche
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 3242

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sovius View Post
                        According to the New Oxford American Dictionary:

                        A nation is a grouping of people who share real (Macedonia) or imagined (Greece) common history, culture, language or ethnic origin, often possessing or seeking its own government. (therefore, not necessarily seeking its own government)

                        As the Ilinden Uprising reflected the majority will of the Macedonian people during a certain period in time, as evidenced by its continued celebration by Macedonians the world over, then, using an even stricter definition than the one provided for posterity by the folks over at Oxford, that part of the Macedonian nation which was occupied by the government of Serbia won political autonomy in 1946. The Macedonian nation regained international recognition as a political entity in 1946.

                        The Ilinden Uprising also proves that Macedonia was occupied by the Ottoman Empire. Macedonians fought against the Ottoman invasion of Europe and Macedonians fought to end their occupation of Europe. Europeans never forgot who was being put through such a tortured existence until it became economically conducive to do so and now they hold just as much of the blame as Greece.

                        According to the UN Charter, it is the will of a people that shall decide on the state and future of their nation; it is, therefore, unnecessary for the Republic of Hellas to recognize Macedonia or any other nation for that matter. It is only necessary that Macedonians recognize their own sovereignty and unalienable identity.

                        If the UN actually follows its own principles, should it not be possible then to simply have someone drop a memo off at the UN building in New York to let everyone know that it was just a little misunderstanding, that everything’s been squared away and that they no longer have to behave like a bunch of fools jumping through hoops just to appease a bunch of poorly educated fascists? This whole “dispute” is making humanity look like a bunch of idiots! Where the heck was the UN during the blockade, anyway?

                        Ah! Vacationing in Droysenland!
                        Sovius
                        Well put and well summarized!
                        On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                        • Bill77
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 4545

                          #13
                          Originally posted by osiris View Post
                          what is a bulgarian i am still to be informed by the bugaromani in bugaria how they justify using that name.
                          Bulgar, or Burglar? Is it a coincidence the two words share same letters just slightly rearanged. Nonetheless, Both Bloody criminals.
                          http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                          • osiris
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1969

                            #14
                            it is a coincidence the term derived fro bugar is vulgar.

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