Kalash / Hunza tribes & the Burushaski Language

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  • fyrOM
    Banned
    • Feb 2010
    • 2180

    #16
    Its funny to think how similar the word Kalashis to kalesh not black not blond just a little dark. Makes you think.

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    • Makedonetz
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 1080

      #17
      Greeks are soon going to say India are greek decendents

      The Kalash people have interesting rituals and they have a monument where they say Alexsander stood. Their bloodline is so pure they stick within their tribe and surrounding areas when they look for mates.
      Makedoncite se borat
      za svoite pravdini!

      "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
      - Goce Delchev

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      • blackcactus
        Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 242

        #18
        The next level of investigation should be in the realm of DNA to add weight (or not) to these beliefs
        The one who tells the story rules the World - Hopi proverb

        “Your highness, when I said that you are like a stream of bat's piss, I only meant that you shine out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark” - Monty Python

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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13670

          #19
          Originally posted by blackcactus View Post
          The next level of investigation should be in the realm of DNA to add weight (or not) to these beliefs
          I agree. Haven't there already been some studies done?
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • Makedonetz
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 1080

            #20
            YouTube - live Hunza people, descendens of the armies of Alexandar the!

            SoM

            That would be interesting if some scientists from macedonia went over to start a study.
            Makedoncite se borat
            za svoite pravdini!

            "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
            - Goce Delchev

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            • Bij
              Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 905

              #21
              Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
              I agree. Haven't there already been some studies done?
              the greeks have!


              POSTER NO: 533

              Investigation of the Greek ancestry of northern Pakistani ethnic groups using Y chromosomal DNA variation

              1Q. Ayub, 1A. Mansoor, 1A. Mohyuddin, 1K. Mazhar, 1S. Siddiqi, 2M. Papaioannou, 3C. Tyler-Smith, 1S.Q. Mehdi
              1Biomedical and Genetic Engineering Division, Dr. A.Q. Khan Research Laboratories, P.O. Box 2891, Islamabad 44000, Pakistan, 2Unit of Prenatal Diagnosis, Center for Thalassemia, Laiko General Hospital, Athens, Greece, 3CRC Chromosome Molecular Biology Group, Department of Biochemistry, University of oxford, Oxford, UK

              Pakistan lies in a region that has witnessed multiple invasions and migrations over the centuries. Alexander the Great invaded the Indian sub-continent in 327-325 B.C. and three northern Pakistani populations, the Burusho, the Kalash and the Pathan claim descent from Greek soldiers who were left behind in this region. The Burusho reside in the Hunza and Nagar valleys, which are located in the Karakorum Mountains and speak the language isolate Burushaski. The Kalash have been isolated for centuries in the Hindu Kush mountain ranges of northern Pakistan and speak Kalasha, an Indo-European language. The Pathan tribes inhabit the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan and the southern and eastern parts of neighboring Afghanistan. They speak Pushto, also an Indo-European language. To investigate the male-line genetic relationship between the extant Greek population (assuming that modern Greek are representative of Alexander's armies) and the three Pakistani ethnic groups, 16 binary unique event polymorphisms, and 16 multiallelic, short-tandem-repeat (STR) loci, mapping on the non-recombining portion of the human Y chromosome were typed in 910 individuals. The combination of the biallelic markers identified 7 stable Y chromosomal lineages in the Greek, Burusho and Pathan populations and 5 in the Kalash. Haplogroups 1, 2, 3 and 9 were present in all four populations. The M20 A to G transition (haplogroup 28) was found in all three Pakistani populations but was absent in the Greeks. This polymorphism probably originated in or near Pakistan as it has not been found at a significant frequency except in this area. Haplogroup 21 was frequent in the Greeks but in these Pakistani populations was found only in the Pathans. Based upon haplogroup frequencies, 65-88% Greek admixture was estimated for the Kalash, consistent with a Greek origin for a significant proportion of Kalash Y chomosomes. However, the Kalash lack haplogroup 21 chromosomes and appeared distinct from the Greeks based upon principal components analysis of haplogroup frequencies and weighted population pairwise FST values based on STR variation within Y Haplogroups. They clearly contain a substantial proportion of Pakistani Y chromosomes, illustrated by their high frequency of hg 28, and the true Greek contribution remains uncertain. Estimates of Greek Y admixture for the Pathans were about 10%, and for the Burusho were close to zero. Median-joining networks of STR haplotypes revealed considerable sub-structuring of Y variation within the Kalash and Burusho, and in particular the haplogroup 21 network showed that the Pathan chromosomes were closely related to the central Greek cluster. Thus a small Greek contribution to the Pathans seems likely, the contribution to the Kalash is unclear and no contribution to the Burusho could be detected.

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              • Serdarot
                Member
                • Feb 2010
                • 605

                #22
                The Language of Those who Claim to be Descant of the Ancient Makedoni

                YouTube - Burushaski Alphabets


                the language of the Hunza People

                they call it Burusha-SKI

                have fun watching it
                Bratot:
                Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                • Serdarot
                  Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 605

                  #23
                  here some additional material:


                  Ilija Chashule "Basic Burushaski Etymologies"(Muenchen Newcastle , ISBN 3 89586 0891) with the similarities between the modern Macedonian and Burushaski language:



                  BU:
                  ASHMILAS, ASHMILJ = to pacify, placade, persuade, also MILI as a title for the beloved in folk song.
                  PRO-SLAV:
                  mil`= dear,
                  LYTV: mylas and meilus = dear.
                  MK:
                  MIL =dear, Smiluva, Smili = to pacify.

                  BU:
                  ASPALAS, ASPALJ = to kindle, light
                  PROSlAV:
                  Paliti = to burn, to set in flames.
                  MK:
                  SPALE,ZAPALE = to burn, to set in flames.

                  BU:
                  ASH = neck, nape of neck, external trhoat.The locativ of the ASH is ASHI
                  PSlav, MK:
                  Shija = neck.It is also related to the word SHITI = to sew

                  The BURushaski word in its special locative form both semantically and phonetically parallels Slavic.


                  BU:
                  BALKAS( IN LOCATIV: BILKIS) = treasure
                  SOUTH SLAV: BLAGO = treasure
                  MK NAME: BLAGA = treasure.

                  BU:
                  BERKAT = Berg, Mountain.
                  MK: BREG= Berg, Mountain.
                  PROSLAV:
                  BERG´ = berg, Mountain

                  BU:
                  BIRI= boiling
                  MK: VRIE = boiling...as so many times mentioned, B and V are changed many times, Servia=Serbia.

                  BU:
                  BÚR = a single hair.
                  ANC MK :
                  ABROUWES = eye brows
                  PRO SLAV, Old SLAV:
                  BRY, (GENETIV: BR'EVE) = eye brow.

                  BU:
                  D*- ASPASAS, D*-SPASASH = to protect, save, rescue.
                  MK:
                  SPASE = save,
                  DA SPASESH = to save someone.

                  BU:
                  DELAS, DELIAS, DELJ = 1)to beat, strike, smite, hit, shoot,...2) to kill to slay
                  SANSKRIT:
                  DALATI = crack, splits
                  PRO SLAV:
                  DELATI = to work.
                  MK:
                  DELIA = Mythical Hero who kills the Turks.

                  GARU( ALSO: GARÚKI) = spring

                  ALSO: GARÚM = hot GARÚRUM = hot, warm, AS NOUN: GARÚRUMKUSH = heat.

                  GARI = lamp, light , pupil of eye.

                  ANC MK:
                  GORPIAIOS = a hot Macedonian Month
                  MK:
                  GREE = warm, to warm
                  GARE= warming meal, cook soup.

                  BU:
                  GIRATAS; GIRASH = to dance, play
                  OLD SLAV, MK:
                  IGRA = dance, play
                  MK:
                  IGRASH = you play, nominative form from IGRA.


                  from

                  Bratot:
                  Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                  • Serdarot
                    Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 605

                    #24
                    lag / double post...
                    Bratot:
                    Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                    • Makedonetz
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1080

                      #25
                      The simularity's are pretty cool. Wonder of the greeks will challenge this and say their writing looks similar to greek letters bah!
                      Makedoncite se borat
                      za svoite pravdini!

                      "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                      - Goce Delchev

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                      • Serdarot
                        Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 605

                        #26
                        they have

                        Љ / lj

                        Њ / nj

                        Џ / dj

                        Ѓ / gj

                        Ѕ / dz

                        i think the first 3 are also found in todays bulgarian and serbo-croatian (not in greek, as far i know)

                        but Gj and Dz are tipical Macedonian Letters / Sounds

                        Greeks can not even pronounce them (all of the above mentioned)
                        Bratot:
                        Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                        • Makedonetz
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 1080

                          #27
                          That is right they only try to pretend they can but in true light they have no friggen idea.

                          Its funny when a greek challenges you and you call him a fucking idiot in Macedonian and they look at you with a look. Seeing were so "Culturally close to greekness" you think they would understand our language if they are one of us :rmacedonia
                          Makedoncite se borat
                          za svoite pravdini!

                          "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                          - Goce Delchev

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                          • Agamoi Thytai
                            Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 198

                            #28
                            Do you guys really believe you are related to these peoples,Burusho,Hunza,Kalash?
                            "What high honour do the Macedonians deserve, who throughout nearly their whole lives are ceaselessly engaged in a struggle with the barbarians for the safety of the Greeks?"
                            Polybius, Histories, 9.35

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                            • George S.
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 10116

                              #29
                              yes we do & so what if we do what you are jealous now.
                              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                              GOTSE DELCEV

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                              • Bratot
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 2855

                                #30
                                It's more important what they say about themselves.
                                The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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