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Old 12-02-2021, 01:23 AM   #541
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Contentious pandemic Bill passed into law
The Andrews government’s controversial pandemic laws will come into effect from December 16 after passing Victoria’s upper house.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...8089f888ef33c7


And there you go. You get the democracy you deserve.
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Old 12-02-2021, 05:51 AM   #542
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The Andrews government’s controversial pandemic laws will come into effect from December 16 after passing Victoria’s upper house.
Such a significant bill should've been put before the people during an election. The politicians should've staked their positions on it. Instead, they have completely disenfranchised the people by passing an unnecessary piece of legislation which places even greater power in the hands of politicians. A sad day for Victoria. Amazing how quick certain cross-benchers and even the Ombudsman changed their tune. All it basically took was a little semantics and the inclusion of useless ambiguities like "in the opinion of the minister" and "on reasonable grounds" for it to be passed, as if that makes any difference to the current regime in Victoria.
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Such a significant bill should've been put before the people during an election. The politicians should've staked their positions on it. Instead, they have completely disenfranchised the people by passing an unnecessary piece of legislation which places even greater power in the hands of politicians. A sad day for Victoria. Amazing how quick certain cross-benchers and even the Ombudsman changed their tune. All it basically took was a little semantics and the inclusion of useless ambiguities like "in the opinion of the minister" and "on reasonable grounds" for it to be passed, as if that makes any difference to the current regime in Victoria.
If this went before the people during an election, it would have been game over for Andrews, he knew that and his handlers knew that.

This episode goes to show many things unfavorable about this state and country:

- that corruption is far more widespread and insidious than most dared imagine.
- that the system of government and the political system as a whole is fundamentally flawed.
- that there is no accountability for those that we "elect".
- that there is even less accountability for those that are unelected.

"Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
"Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority"

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Old 12-03-2021, 05:18 AM   #544
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This is unbelievable. And the whole time she tested negative for COVID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGFdWcJU7-0
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This is unbelievable. And the whole time she tested negative for COVID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGFdWcJU7-0
Coming to Victoria soon (then the rest of us).
This is beyond infuriating. Australians should be seething. Instead, they are pathetically compliant.
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Old 12-03-2021, 07:20 AM   #546
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Not anymore. Any business that toes the govco line does not deserve a single cent of my money. There are other ways for me to entice new clients and reward existing ones for their custom.

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Coming to Victoria soon (then the rest of us).
This is beyond infuriating. Australians should be seething. Instead, they are pathetically compliant.
Far too many have no backbone Risto, no conviction and taken leave of their critical thinking faculties. Whilst the beer virus episode woke many people out of their slumber, it put to sleep many more.

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This is beyond infuriating. Australians should be seething. Instead, they are pathetically compliant.
Watching those people in the hazmat suits telling her to stay behind the yellow tape reminded me of Forest Whitaker in The Experiment. And the fact that the other close contacts were allowed to quarantine at home means someone (?) was able to make an arbitrary decision to apply some of the "rules" in her case alone, which is equally disturbing.
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Victoria is currently building such a facility at a site that currently serves as an animal quarantine facility (it would be funny if it wasn't true). Queensland is building two of them and calling one an "accommodation centre" because, you know, Alcatraz was apparently an "island getaway" destination.
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the fact that the other close contacts were allowed to quarantine at home means someone (?) was able to make an arbitrary decision to apply some of the "rules" in her case alone, which is equally disturbing.
That was the most disturbing part. Faceless administrators destroying lives. This must end.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...inds/100673390

A small victory. But nevertheless useful.

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The full bench of the Fair Work Commission has found a decision by mining giant BHP to make COVID-19 vaccinations at a Hunter Valley mine mandatory was not lawful or reasonable.

More than 30 workers at BHP Billiton's Mt Arthur coal mine were stood down after being unable to provide evidence of their vaccination status.

Lawyers for union officials fought against the mandate, arguing there was a lack of consultation.

On Friday the commission's full bench said the direction was not covered by the mine's enterprise agreement for workers.

The CFMEU, which spearheaded the court action, says the decision is a "win for the rights of workers" and slammed BHP as "arrogant" in the way it went about imposing the mandate.

BHP said it was "assessing the implications of the decision" and noted that the commission had acknowledged the dangers posed by COVID-19.

The dispute had been deemed a '"seminal case" because of its potential ramifications for workplace vaccination rules.

But in its judgement, the commission said the outcome might have been different if BHP had handled things differently:

"Had the respondent consulted the employees in accordance with its consultation obligations such that we could have been satisfied that the decision to introduce the site access requirement was the outcome of a meaningful consultation process the above considerations would have provided a strong case in favour of a conclusion that the site access requirement was a reasonable direction."

'BHP was arrogant', union says
CFMEU Northern Mining and NSW Energy District president Peter Jordan said the company had acted without seeking feedback from its employees.

"BHP was arrogant in imposing its mandatory vaccination policy without genuine workforce consultation or the backing of a public health order," he said.

"We are pleased the full bench of the Fair Work Commission has determined that the site access requirement at Mt Arthur was not a lawful or reasonable direction.

"The decision is a win for the rights of workers to be genuinely consulted about matters affecting them under state workplace health and safety laws.

"We will continue to work through the detail of this decision and represent the interests of all our members especially those who have been stood down without pay as a result of this unlawful direction."

Workplace law expert Michael Tooma says the commission's judgement is "very important".

"It shows what we have known for some time that the Achilles heel to the mandatory vaccination programs that are being run is really this consultation point, and the full bench really focused in on consultation," he said.

"What's good about this is that we now have some clarity as to the minimum expectations in relation to a [vaccination] program and how that is to be rolled out and we have a full bench decision and the full bench is not saying, 'You can't do this.'

"What they're saying is, 'You need to do it properly.'"

'The science is clear'
In a statement, BHP noted that the Fair Work Commission had acknowledged the risks of COVID-19 and said in its judgement that "further consultation should occur".

"The science is clear that vaccination saves lives," the statement said.

"BHP supports widespread vaccination as the path forward for the Australian economy.

"We are assessing the implications of the decision and will work with the commission, our people, and union representatives to ensure our workplace remains as safe as possible for our people, their families and the community."

'Consultation' and 'mandatory' missing from documents
Before the decision today BHP's legal team told the commission that "the status quo" was "that health and safety controls must be complied with" and said it was was obliged to protect its workforce.

But at an earlier hearing the workers argued that the mandate was unlawful because it did not comply with consultation requirements in their employment agreement.

BHP rejected that claim and told the court it sought feedback from staff via company emails sent to employees.

But workers who gave evidence said there had been issues around accessing company emails.

BHP's health and safety representative was questioned in depth about consultation and acknowledged that prior to the mandate being announced the word "consultation" was not used.

The health and safety representative also agreed that in advice issued three days before the October 7 announcement company documents did not include the word "mandatory".
Wait until the myth of "the science is clear" gets blown apart. Then, when the legal liability shifts SOLELY to the employers, it will be a hoot.
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Wait until the myth of "the science is clear" gets blown apart. Then, when the legal liability shifts SOLELY to the employers, it will be a hoot.
This is coming, even in the corrupt legal system we have. This has the potential to blow it all up for govco.

A hoot, I'm already stocking up on popcorn
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