Albania withdraws FYROM reference from government's website

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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    #16
    So can we confirm 100% that this event regarding the Albanian change of stance in relation to Macedonia is true?

    Are they going to also change the name of their Macedonian minority?

    Albanians, draw the line in the sand if this is your intention, but be definitive, let us know where we all stand, and let us take it from there with all positions defined.

    Then, let's play the game.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • mbourdes
      Banned
      • Sep 2008
      • 47

      #17
      The Albanians are joining Europe. They have to fall into line with the accepted norms of the community.

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13670

        #18
        What are the accepted norms? Denying the right of the Macedonians to self-identify by their native name?

        Think carefully before you answer here Akritas.
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • mbourdes
          Banned
          • Sep 2008
          • 47

          #19
          They are not denying anybody or anything.
          They just have to tow the company line. What is so hard to understand about that?
          Just like members on this forum have to obey the rules, so too does Albania, now that it is part of the European Alliance.

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          • Rogi
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 2343

            #20
            Albania is being played by Greece. They need Greece to ratify Albania's accession to NATO in the Greek Parliament, so they are playing Greece's game for as long as they need to be in Greece's good books.

            After that, when when they are in, they will change their stance to support Macedonia's name if Macedonia to continue with their Electricity needs via the Lakes, etc.

            Then when their EU accession time comes, they will again pander to Greece's needs and change their stance on the name, etc etc.

            The Albanian policy is about Albanian interests, nothing else.

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            • mbourdes
              Banned
              • Sep 2008
              • 47

              #21
              The Albanian policy is looking after number 1.
              I think this is acceptable in modern society as long as all parties can play.
              The politics will always be debatable, however it's the end result that counts.

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              • Orovnichanec
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 410

                #22
                Originally posted by mbourdes View Post
                The Albanian policy is looking after number 1.
                I think this is acceptable in modern society as long as all parties can play.
                The politics will always be debatable, however it's the end result that counts.
                Since when is blackmail acceptable?
                "Oh, Macedonians! It is time we realized that the greatest demon Macedonia must battle against is none other than Bulgaria" - Krste Petkov Misirkov

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                • Traveller
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 177

                  #23
                  You have to worry about Greek people not Albania's goverment. We are causing you suffering (if you are suffering), the people not our politicians ,not Karamanlis,not Dora, blaim us, nobody else
                  Last edited by Traveller; 09-22-2008, 11:55 AM.

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                  • fatso
                    Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 301

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Rogi View Post
                    Albania is being played by Greece. They need Greece to ratify Albania's accession to NATO in the Greek Parliament, so they are playing Greece's game for as long as they need to be in Greece's good books.

                    After that, when when they are in, they will change their stance to support Macedonia's name if Macedonia to continue with their Electricity needs via the Lakes, etc.

                    Then when their EU accession time comes, they will again pander to Greece's needs and change their stance on the name, etc etc.

                    The Albanian policy is about Albanian interests, nothing else.
                    Your beginning to sound like Bushav. Albania does not need Greece. They are simply playing the Kosovo card...it's plain to see.

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                    • Coolski
                      Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 747

                      #25
                      Guys, this news source is from an Albanian site. I don't know how trustworthy it is, or who is behind the article.
                      - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
                      - Every human and nation has the ability to be as great or as weak as they allow themselves to be. No excuses.

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                      • Coolski
                        Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 747

                        #26
                        Originally posted by fatso View Post
                        Your beginning to sound like Bushav. Albania does not need Greece. They are simply playing the Kosovo card...it's plain to see.
                        What does Bushav sound like? lol

                        Albania is definitely being played by Greece. I am not sure if Albania has officially recognised Macedonia at all. They are using an 'informal bilateral recognition' to keep the Macedonians happy, while they can maneuver back and forth depending on which position they can milk at the time.

                        Like it or not for them, Kosovo relations are linked with Albanian relations, and perhaps it is something they haven't properly considered. SImilarly, Albanian relations with Macedonia should and will eventually involve the Macedonian minority in Albania. Perhaps they will end up at a stage where they can not maneuver between two points at once. This will be interesting to watch, and perhaps it will happen soon.
                        - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
                        - Every human and nation has the ability to be as great or as weak as they allow themselves to be. No excuses.

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                        • Coolski
                          Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 747

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Traveller View Post
                          You have to worry about Greek people not Albania's goverment. We are causing you suffering (if you are suffering), the people not our politicians ,not Karamanlis,not Dora, blaim us, nobody else
                          It's interesting that you say that. You are correct to an extent. The Greek people have been radicalised, and it is the people who are causing grief, but these people are not like other people. They are shaped by what their omnipresent media tells them to be.

                          In many ways, the blame does lie on the majority of the Greek population, for accepting the mind-influence which their masters Dora and Karaman have over them. The sooner Greece recognises that it is a multiethnic Balkan country, the better the mental health of the population and the more stable the politics will be in the region.
                          - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
                          - Every human and nation has the ability to be as great or as weak as they allow themselves to be. No excuses.

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                          • mbourdes
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 47

                            #28
                            Greece is a European democratic country.
                            When you achieve this status, then you can judge.

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                            • Risto the Great
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15658

                              #29
                              Macedonia is a European democratic country too.
                              What on Earth makes you think otherwise?
                              Risto the Great
                              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                              • Traveller
                                Banned
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 177

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Coolski View Post
                                It's interesting that you say that. You are correct to an extent. The Greek people have been radicalised, and it is the people who are causing grief, but these people are not like other people. They are shaped by what their omnipresent media tells them to be.

                                In many ways, the blame does lie on the majority of the Greek population, for accepting the mind-influence which their masters Dora and Karaman have over them. The sooner Greece recognises that it is a multiethnic Balkan country, the better the mental health of the population and the more stable the politics will be in the region.
                                You cant be more wrong in the highlighted sentence. It is the politicians that keep the tensions low. The people say why the hell are we paying to have one of the most expensive armies in the world if we dont use it in such cases (you are posing territorial threat to us, verbal for now). The sentiment here is that a fly is provoking a lion...Of course war is unacceptable but i think that you must be reminded in some way (lets say warplanes smashing with their speed the glasses in your parliament) your real status.

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