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Old 03-17-2009, 05:06 AM   #11
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:33 AM   #12
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Cleopatra, the last Egyptian Pharaoh, renowned for her beauty, was part African, says a BBC team which believes it has found her sister's tomb.

Queen Cleopatra was a descendant of Ptolemy, the Macedonian general who ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great.

But remains of the queen's sister Princess Arsinoe, found in Ephesus, Turkey, indicate that her mother had an "African" skeleton.

Experts have described the results as "a real sensation."

The discovery was made by Hilke Thuer of the Austrian Academy of Sciences.

"It is unique in the life of an archaeologist to find the tomb and the skeleton of a member of Ptolemaic dynasty," she said.

"That Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra's family and the relationship of the sisters Cleopatra and Arsinoe."

They lived at a turbulent time when the Roman empire was extending its power across the Mediterranean.

Cleopatra established alliances with the Roman leader Julius Caesar and, after his assassination, with his political supporter, General Mark Antony, to whom she was married.

"Cleopatra, Julius Caesar, Mark Antony - they are all iconic figures from history," said archaeologist Neil Oliver who presents the BBC documentary.

"It's almost impossible to remember they were real people and not the semi-mythical figures portrayed by Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor. It was like a splash of cold water in the face to be confronted by them as human beings, " he continued.

"When I stood in the lab and handled the bones of Cleopatra's blood sister - knowing that in her lifetime she touched Cleopatra and perhaps Julius Caesar and Mark Antony as well - I felt the hairs go up on the back of my neck."

"Suddenly these giant figures from history were flesh and blood," said archaeologist Neil Oliver.

There was plenty of sibling rivalry between Princess Arsinoe and her powerful sister Cleopatra - many believe the queen ordered Mark Anthony to murder her sister.

The film examines the life of Cleopatra - who had an affair with Julius Caesar - including her murderous intentions towards Arsinoe.
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:23 AM   #13
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isnt it cleopatras sister they are discussing and its not unconceivable that the macedonian phaorahs took local aristocratic women as wifes some of who may very well been of african decent.
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halle berry or her sister black berry mate or maybe both at once world peace is that important.
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Old 03-19-2009, 06:19 AM   #16
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Here is another aricle:

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ARCHEOLOGISTS and forensic experts believe they have identified the skeleton of Cleopatra’s younger sister, murdered more than 2,000 years ago on the orders of the Egyptian queen.

The remains of Princess Arsinöe, put to death in 41BC on the orders of Cleopatra and her Roman lover Mark Antony to eliminate her as a rival, are the first relics of the Ptolemaic dynasty to be identified.

The breakthrough, by an Austrian team, has provided pointers to Cleopatra’s true ethnicity. Scholars have long debated whether she was Greek or Macedonian like her ancestor the original Ptolemy, a Macedonian general who was made ruler of Egypt by Alexander the Great, or whether she was north African.

Evidence obtained by studying the dimensions of Arsinöe’s skull shows she had some of the characteristics of white Europeans, ancient Egyptians and black Africans, indicating that Cleopatra was probably of mixed race, too. They were daughters of Ptolemy XII by different wives.

The results vindicate the theories of Hilke Thür of the Austrian Academy of Sciences, who has long claimed that the skeleton was Arsinöe. She described the discovery of Arsinöe’s ethnicity as “a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra’s family”.

Fellow experts are now convinced. Günther Hölbl, an authority on the Ptolemies, said the identification of the skeleton was “a great discovery”.

The forensic evidence was obtained by a team working under the auspices of the Austrian Archeological Institute, which is set to detail its findings at an anthropological convention in the United States later this month.

The story of the discovery will also be the subject of a tele-vision documentary, Cleopatra: Portrait of a Killer, to be shown on BBC1 at 9pm next Monday.

The institute’s breakthrough came about after it set out to examine Thür’s belief that an octagonal tomb in the remains of the Roman city of Ephesus contained the body of Arsinöe.

According to Roman texts the city, in what is now Turkey, is where Arsinöe was banished after being defeated in a power struggle against Cleopatra and her then lover, Julius Caesar.

Arsinöe was said to have been murdered after Cleopatra, now with Mark Antony following Caesar’s death, ordered the Roman general to have her younger sibling killed to prevent any future attempts on the Egyptian throne.

The distinctive tomb was first opened in 1926 by archeologists who found a sarcophagus inside containing a skeleton. They removed the skull, which was examined and measured; but it was lost in the upheaval of the second world war.

In the early 1990s Thür reentered the tomb and found the headless skeleton, which she believed to be of a young woman. Clues, such as the unusual octagonal shape of the tomb, which echoed that of the lighthouse of Alexandria with which Arsinöe was associated, convinced Thür the body was that of Cleopatra’s sister. Her theory was considered credible by many historians, and in an attempt to resolve the issue the Austrian Archeological Institute asked the Medical University of Vienna to appoint a specialist to examine the remains.

Fabian Kanz, an anthropologist, was sceptical when he began this task two years ago. “We tried to exclude her from being Arsinöe,” he said. “We used all the methods we have to find anything that can say, ‘Okay, this can’t be Arsinöe because of this and this’.”

After using carbon dating, which dated the skeleton from 200BC-20BC, Kanz, who had examined more than 500 other skeletons taken from the ruins of Ephesus, found Thür’s theory gained credibility.

He said he was certain the bones were female and placed the age of the woman at 15-18. Although Arsinöe’s date of birth is not known, she was certainly younger than Cleopatra, who was about 27 at the time of her sister’s demise.

The lack of any sign of illness or malnutrition also indicated a sudden death, said Kanz. Evidence of the skeleton’s north African ethnicity provided the final clue.

Caroline Wilkinson, a forensic anthropologist, reconstructed the missing skull based on measurements taken in the 1920s. Using computer technology it was possible to create a facial impression of what Arsinöe might have looked like.

“It has got this long head shape,” said Wilkinson. “That’s something you see quite frequently in ancient Egyptians and black Africans. It could suggest a mixture of ancestry.”
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A mixture of Ancestry doesnot make here African.
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World TV news media, has just reported that Archaeologists from around Alexandria-Egypt, named after Alexander III, The Great, have found the tomb of the Macedonian Queen Cleopatra and her Roman lover and partner, Mark Anthony. It is believed by Ancient Historians that both Cleopatra and Anthony poisoned themselves and were buried in the ancient tomb near modern Alexandria.

Due to the Alexandrian-Egypt current news, Australian TV showed, an Egyptian Ancient History documentary on he ancient city of Alexandria in Egypt which gave the historical background, on how it was made according to Alexander III, wishes and built by BOTH ancient Greek and Macedonian People!

I thought I would share the above news and current affairs with you!

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Default Tomb of Anthony and Cleopatra Found in Alexandria-Egypt!

Macedonian Bloggers,

World TV news media, has just reported that Archaeologists from around Alexandria-Egypt, named after Alexander III, The Great, have found the tomb of the Macedonian Queen Cleopatra and her Roman lover and partner, Mark Anthony. It is believed by Ancient Historians that both Cleopatra and Anthony poisoned themselves and were buried in the ancient tomb near modern Alexandria.

Due to the Alexandrian-Egypt current news, Australian TV showed, an Egyptian Ancient History documentary on he ancient city of Alexandria in Egypt which gave the historical background, on how it was made according to Alexander III, wishes and built by BOTH ancient Greek and Macedonian People!

I thought I would share the above news and current affairs with you!

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You know the guy from Egypt who always reveals these things.
He wears an Indiana Jones hat.
I just can't seem to trust the guy ... I don't know why. I simply get the feeling he would "plant" stuff just to make his version of history more complete. Like some other people we know.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:12 PM   #20
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On of my most favorite television shows was the HBO series Rome. My favorite character was Mark Anthony. The show always made mention of Macedonia, of course seperate from "greece"

Here's the Makedonka Cleopatra and Mark Anthony from the show Rome;

YouTube - Antony & Cleopatra Meet in Rome
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