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![]() There may have been a couple of Muslim komiti, I think the majority were employed in "legal" services or were weaponsmiths who knowingly sold to the organisation
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The MRO did receive the sympathy of some people belonging to other ethnic groups and a few would've no doubt provided assistance (for various reasons) in terms of communications, logistics, funding and the procurement of weapons. However, those that fought and died for a Macedonia that would be free from Ottoman rule were overwhelmingly Macedonians. Aside from a valiant and notable contribution of Vlachs, there were only a small handful from other ethnic groups that risked their lives to fight alongside the Macedonians. Perhaps this is because the Macedonians and Vlachs were largely Christian whereas most other peoples in Macedonia at the time were predominantly Muslim. The ideals of the MRO were noble, perhaps too noble. Despite their repeated efforts to appeal to a broader audience by citing brotherhood, love for the fatherland, liberation, etc., their ideals were never adopted by sizeable amounts of people outside of the Macedonian and Vlach communities in Macedonia - and even there they ran into some issues because of the vicious propaganda of the foreign states.
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![]() I am inclined to agree - the only other ethnicity that joined the ranks of the organisation in any significant number were the Vlachs
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![]() About the Vlachs, without getting too far off topic, do you think they believed in the organisation and Ilinden as being a national movement for Macedonians? Or did they see it solely as a liberation movement? Check out this piece of fiction from a Greek Vlach, Vassilis Nitsiakos, taken from https://www.facebook.com/20823645518...2389289170628/ It’s the translation from Greek offered by Facebook.
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People have differing perspectives on nationalism in the Balkans during the late Ottoman era. Some believe that national identities were created during this period whereas others feel that existing identities were rejuvenated after centuries of oppression. Irrespective, there are a couple of certainties. Macedonians were the only people to espouse or assert a Macedonian ethno-linguistic identity and a Macedonian national identity. The only other group of people living in Macedonia at the time that adopted a Macedonian national identity, to an extent, were the Vlachs, which was no doubt facilitated by their common religion (sect affiliation aside). Therefore, I think Vlachs saw it as a liberation movement that was mostly led by Macedonians but for the benefit of all peoples in Macedonia. Over the years, many Vlachs have progressed from integration to assimilation because of social circumstances (intermarriage, relocation to larger cities, etc.). However, the fact that the Vlach contribution to Macedonia is celebrated and their language and ethnic identity continues to exist is in many ways tied to the ideals of the MRO. Compare that to the official policy of Greece and their treatment of Vlachs (and other minorities such as Macedonians and Albanians). Now, many of the descendants of such people who were denied their individuality are brainwashed beyond repair and pretend to be rabid Greeks themselves. Which leads to people like that moron who created the fictional dialogue with one of the most popular icons of the MRO. Pitu Guli fought and died for a free Macedonia. In that free Macedonia, he would have had a Macedonian national identity whilst having the right to retain his officially recognised ethnic identity, just like the Vlachs in Macedonia today. If he had the misfortune of being in the service of Greece, few people would even know he was a Vlach and his descendants wouldn't have received state support to learn their language or hear it regularly in the media like they do in Macedonia. He was a leader of a movement which went by the creeds "liberty or death" and "Macedonia for the Macedonians". Aside from a few anecdotal examples, the only people who believed in that were the ethnic Macedonians and ethnic Vlachs. As such, Pitu Guli is a Macedonian national hero and no amount of bizarre Greek yearning for more Vlach souls will ever change that fact.
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