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Old 02-19-2009, 01:13 AM   #1
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Default Dedo Iljo Vojvoda fought with his 206 Macedonians!

This quote is taken from a Serbian book about the Serbian-Bulgarian war of 1885.
Somehow Macedonians are to be found in it......



Source: "Istorija srpsko-bugarskog rata 1885" By Vladan Đorđević, 1908, page 389.

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In that cheta there were 206 Macedonians under the command of pop Georgijeva and Dedo Iljo Vojvoda...
There were Macedonians fighting in the war of 1885, where was Tito?
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Old 02-19-2009, 01:18 AM   #2
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what is a "vojvoda"?
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Vojvoda is a warlord.

My apologies, I made the assumption that you are a Macedonian. What is your background?
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A proper english equivalent would be a DUKE - but there is no really a proper equiv.

VojVoda would be the one who VODI (leads) the V(B)OJ (battle; the word VOJNA (war) is from the same branch) - VOD is also a smaller brigande of warriors who usually have a VojVoda as a leader. VODA is also WATER and is the root word for all these others, cuz the water in rivers LEADS THE WAY FORWARD. VODICH means GUIDE.
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Vojvoda is a warlord.

My apologies, I made the assumption that you are a Macedonian. What is your background?
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I am Macedonian... sorry, I have only recently begun to look into Macedonian history... It's something that has begun to interest me very much, but my knowledge is very hazy, so you guys will have to bear with me, at least for a little while

While on the topic of vojvodi, the term wouldn't have been used to refer to the IMRO members, would it?
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The people of VMRO were called 'Komiti' or 'Komitadji', as they were members of the 'Komitet' (Committee). A group of Komiti were called a 'Cheta', and the leader of the group was the Vojvoda, which literally means 'War Leader' but the best equivalent in English is 'Warlord' or also 'Duke' as Magedon stated.
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Got it .
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If you're going to write about it, use the word Duke. It is most accurate and better received - the term warlord has negative conotations.

These men were brave heroes, fighting for freedom and justice and many of them were educated around the world (i.e. there were komiti who had studied at Sorbonne University in France, which was at the time among, if not the most esteemed University in the world).

Remember, they wrote the Krushevo Manifesto, which represents the most forward thinking ideology of the time for the region and beyond, and can be still seen as very forward thinking and progressive even by today's standards.
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