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Old 02-19-2009, 10:17 PM   #11
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If you're going to write about it, use the word Duke. It is most accurate and better received - the term warlord has negative conotations.

The term warlord is historically accurate.

Use of the term "Duke" would be an anachronism, both unrepresentative and misleading. You and UMD can shove your self proclaimed political correctness up your arses. Just a small window into your mind, and a brief example of how UMD intends to white-wash Macedonian history.
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:20 PM   #12
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Read "Macedonia and the Macedonians in the Eastern Crisis" by Manol Pandevski.

It talks alot about the Macedonian volunteer fighters in Serbia, Romania and later Bulgaria, and Dedo Ilija, fighting under Russian millitary command.

This was the same guy who joined forces with the Macedonian warrior priest, Berovski, in 1878 in Pirin Macedonia. Together, with about 400 Macedonians, they stormed a Turkish garrison in 1878 to mark the beginning of the Kresna/Razlog uprising.
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Old 02-20-2009, 10:46 AM   #13
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Is the Dedo Iljo cited in this source the same Dedo Iljo Maleshevski? The below link says that he is also know as Pop Gorgiev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyo_Voyvoda


Wikipedia has seriously gone down the drain, now even Dedo Iljo is a 'Bulgar' as Bulgarian lies and historical manipulations are accepted without an argument. Apart from the light reference, Wikipedia is next to useless.
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Old 02-20-2009, 10:51 PM   #14
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I'll look into it, thanks Pelister

SoM, it is indeed a joke, you'll be hardpressed to find a Macedonian from before 1940 on Wikipedia... unless it's the Macedonian Wikipedia... unfortunately, it's underdeveloped.

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No Diabolical, you wouldn't be hard pressed to find a Macedonian before 1940 on Wikipedia, you would be hard pressed to find an article about a Macedonian that has not been severely distorted by a Greek or Bulgar racist.

Where did you get the 1940 figure my friend?
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No Diabolical, you wouldn't be hard pressed to find a Macedonian before 1940 on Wikipedia, you would be hard pressed to find an article about a Macedonian that has not been severely distorted by a Greek or Bulgar racist.
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Where did you get the 1940 figure my friend?
I thought their claim was that Macedonians only got their ethnic identity after WW2? Before that apparently we were all Bulgarians...
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Their opinion changes with every counter-argument we give them. What is your opinion?
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Old 02-21-2009, 02:53 AM   #18
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My opinion??

We were Macedonians from before Alexander the Great, continued to call ourselves so through the times of Kiril i Metodi and Car Samoil. The likes of brakjata Miladinovci and Marko Cepenkov committed their lives to preserving our culture, while Macedonians like Goce Delchev, literally, fought and died for Macedonia, in the name of Macedonia. This is all documented in history of course, and we even see scholars from throughout the ages refer to a Macedonian people.

Indeed, it's saddening to see such malicious actions from our own neighbours... more saddening to know that this isn't a recent political game, but something going on for at least 100+ years.
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wikipedia is just for laughs, Pop Gorgiev is not Dedo Iljo, they are two persons.
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Is the Dedo Iljo cited in this source the same Dedo Iljo Maleshevski? The below link says that he is also know as Pop Gorgiev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyo_Voyvoda


Wikipedia has seriously gone down the drain, now even Dedo Iljo is a 'Bulgar' as Bulgarian lies and historical manipulations are accepted without an argument. Apart from the light reference, Wikipedia is next to useless.

That Wikipedia article is full of factual errors (probably deliberate).

The picture of the Macedonian warlord is the Priest Berovski, from Berovo.

Dedo Ilija "Maleshevets" is a completely different person. Secondly, Dedo Ilija was a Macedonian, not a Bulgarian. He led the Russo-Macedonian brigade in the Serbian wars against the Turks. Any suggestion he identified as a Bulgarian is a lie, and just a modern spin. There were no Bulgarian political units operating in Macedonia at that time.
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