Dedo Iljo Vojvoda fought with his 206 Macedonians! - Page 2

Pelister · 02-19-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogi

If you're going to write about it, use the word Duke. It is most accurate and better received - the term warlord has negative conotations.

The term warlord is historically accurate.

Use of the term "Duke" would be an anachronism, both unrepresentative and misleading. You and UMD can shove your self proclaimed political correctness up your arses. Just a small window into your mind, and a brief example of how UMD intends to white-wash Macedonian history.

Pelister · 02-19-2009, 10:20 PM

Read "Macedonia and the Macedonians in the Eastern Crisis" by Manol Pandevski.

It talks alot about the Macedonian volunteer fighters in Serbia, Romania and later Bulgaria, and Dedo Ilija, fighting under Russian millitary command.

This was the same guy who joined forces with the Macedonian warrior priest, Berovski, in 1878 in Pirin Macedonia. Together, with about 400 Macedonians, they stormed a Turkish garrison in 1878 to mark the beginning of the Kresna/Razlog uprising.

Soldier of Macedon · 02-20-2009, 10:46 AM

Is the Dedo Iljo cited in this source the same Dedo Iljo Maleshevski? The below link says that he is also know as Pop Gorgiev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyo_Voyvoda

Wikipedia has seriously gone down the drain, now even Dedo Iljo is a 'Bulgar' as Bulgarian lies and historical manipulations are accepted without an argument. Apart from the light reference, Wikipedia is next to useless.

Diabolical · 02-20-2009, 10:51 PM

I'll look into it, thanks Pelister

SoM, it is indeed a joke, you'll be hardpressed to find a Macedonian from before 1940 on Wikipedia... unless it's the Macedonian Wikipedia... unfortunately, it's underdeveloped.

Soldier of Macedon · 02-20-2009, 11:46 PM

No Diabolical, you wouldn't be hard pressed to find a Macedonian before 1940 on Wikipedia, you would be hard pressed to find an article about a Macedonian that has not been severely distorted by a Greek or Bulgar racist.

Where did you get the 1940 figure my friend?

Diabolical · 02-21-2009, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

No Diabolical, you wouldn't be hard pressed to find a Macedonian before 1940 on Wikipedia, you would be hard pressed to find an article about a Macedonian that has not been severely distorted by a Greek or Bulgar racist.

True, That's what I meant

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Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Where did you get the 1940 figure my friend?

I thought their claim was that Macedonians only got their ethnic identity after WW2? Before that apparently we were all Bulgarians...

Soldier of Macedon · 02-21-2009, 01:30 AM

Their opinion changes with every counter-argument we give them. What is your opinion?

Diabolical · 02-21-2009, 02:53 AM

My opinion??

We were Macedonians from before Alexander the Great, continued to call ourselves so through the times of Kiril i Metodi and Car Samoil. The likes of brakjata Miladinovci and Marko Cepenkov committed their lives to preserving our culture, while Macedonians like Goce Delchev, literally, fought and died for Macedonia, in the name of Macedonia. This is all documented in history of course, and we even see scholars from throughout the ages refer to a Macedonian people.

Indeed, it's saddening to see such malicious actions from our own neighbours... more saddening to know that this isn't a recent political game, but something going on for at least 100+ years.

Daskalot · 02-21-2009, 03:04 AM

wikipedia is just for laughs, Pop Gorgiev is not Dedo Iljo, they are two persons.

Pelister · 02-21-2009, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Is the Dedo Iljo cited in this source the same Dedo Iljo Maleshevski? The below link says that he is also know as Pop Gorgiev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyo_Voyvoda

Wikipedia has seriously gone down the drain, now even Dedo Iljo is a 'Bulgar' as Bulgarian lies and historical manipulations are accepted without an argument. Apart from the light reference, Wikipedia is next to useless.

That Wikipedia article is full of factual errors (probably deliberate).

The picture of the Macedonian warlord is the Priest Berovski, from Berovo.

Dedo Ilija "Maleshevets" is a completely different person. Secondly, Dedo Ilija was a Macedonian, not a Bulgarian. He led the Russo-Macedonian brigade in the Serbian wars against the Turks. Any suggestion he identified as a Bulgarian is a lie, and just a modern spin. There were no Bulgarian political units operating in Macedonia at that time.

02-20-2009, 10:46 AM	#13
Soldier of Macedon Administrator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,289	Is the Dedo Iljo cited in this source the same Dedo Iljo Maleshevski? The below link says that he is also know as Pop Gorgiev. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyo_Voyvoda Wikipedia has seriously gone down the drain, now even Dedo Iljo is a 'Bulgar' as Bulgarian lies and historical manipulations are accepted without an argument. Apart from the light reference, Wikipedia is next to useless. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a full blooded Macedonian.

02-20-2009, 10:51 PM	#14
Diabolical Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50	I'll look into it, thanks Pelister SoM, it is indeed a joke, you'll be hardpressed to find a Macedonian from before 1940 on Wikipedia... unless it's the Macedonian Wikipedia... unfortunately, it's underdeveloped. Last edited by Diabolical; 02-20-2009 at 10:54 PM.

02-20-2009, 11:46 PM	#15
Soldier of Macedon Administrator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,289	No Diabolical, you wouldn't be hard pressed to find a Macedonian before 1940 on Wikipedia, you would be hard pressed to find an article about a Macedonian that has not been severely distorted by a Greek or Bulgar racist. Where did you get the 1940 figure my friend? __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a full blooded Macedonian.

02-21-2009, 01:30 AM	#17
Soldier of Macedon Administrator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,289	Their opinion changes with every counter-argument we give them. What is your opinion? __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a full blooded Macedonian.

02-21-2009, 03:04 AM	#19
Daskalot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In a Library Posts: 4,345	wikipedia is just for laughs, Pop Gorgiev is not Dedo Iljo, they are two persons. __________________ Macedonian Truth Organisation

02-19-2009, 10:20 PM	#12
Pelister Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,742	Read "Macedonia and the Macedonians in the Eastern Crisis" by Manol Pandevski. It talks alot about the Macedonian volunteer fighters in Serbia, Romania and later Bulgaria, and Dedo Ilija, fighting under Russian millitary command. This was the same guy who joined forces with the Macedonian warrior priest, Berovski, in 1878 in Pirin Macedonia. Together, with about 400 Macedonians, they stormed a Turkish garrison in 1878 to mark the beginning of the Kresna/Razlog uprising.

02-21-2009, 02:53 AM	#18
Diabolical Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50	My opinion?? We were Macedonians from before Alexander the Great, continued to call ourselves so through the times of Kiril i Metodi and Car Samoil. The likes of brakjata Miladinovci and Marko Cepenkov committed their lives to preserving our culture, while Macedonians like Goce Delchev, literally, fought and died for Macedonia, in the name of Macedonia. This is all documented in history of course, and we even see scholars from throughout the ages refer to a Macedonian people. Indeed, it's saddening to see such malicious actions from our own neighbours... more saddening to know that this isn't a recent political game, but something going on for at least 100+ years.

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