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Old 02-22-2009, 05:11 AM   #21
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Димитрија Поп Георгиев Беровски и Дедо Иљо Малешевски се Браќа

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Личноста на Илија Марков Поп-Георгиев или попознат како дедо Иљо Малешевски
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Old 02-25-2009, 08:29 PM   #22
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Now I really am confused. Will have to go back to the sources to have another look at this guy.
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:25 PM   #23
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So did we ever determine if Iljo and Georgiev are the same person?
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:43 PM   #24
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Just to clear something up....

Paul, the correct translation of 'Vojvoda' is Duke. It is not Warlord (Gospodar na Vojnata).
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Rogi, although I wouldn't have taken the same approach to reaction as Pelister did, the literal translation of VOI (war) VODA (leader) is War-Leader, which is much closer to a Warlord than it is to a Duke, who in actual fact is supposed to be a member of some nobility.

I doubt that Jordan Piperka and Georgi Sugarev came from the nobility, and they are both known Voivodi. I don't know how and when Duke became identified with Voivoda, I take it that it would have happened during the late middle ages.
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The people of VMRO were called 'Komiti' or 'Komitadji', as they were members of the 'Komitet' (Committee). A group of Komiti were called a 'Cheta', and the leader of the group was the Vojvoda, which literally means 'War Leader' but the best equivalent in English is 'Warlord' or also 'Duke' as Magedon stated.

Komitadzi were what Mihajlov's VMRO rebels were called.
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In Iljo Maleshevski's time, they were not referred to as komiti, but as Ajduci, Ajduts.
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Just to clear something up....

Paul, the correct translation of 'Vojvoda' is Duke. It is not Warlord (Gospodar na Vojnata).
War-Lord (Leader) is much closer to the literal translation that "Duke". I just embelished it a little.

But the picture on my avatar. I always thought it was Pop Berovski, but I've been told it is Ilija Maleshev. Can anyone help with that ?
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Komitadzi were what Mihajlov's VMRO rebels were called.
Komitadji is simply Komiti with the common Turkish suffix that is sometimes used by Balkan peoples such as Macedonians, Albanians and Greeks. I don't think it specifically relates to the dog Mihailov's men. Take for example Mother Teresa and her surname, Bojaxhiu (Bojadziu).
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Komitadji is simply Komiti with the common Turkish suffix that is sometimes used by Balkan peoples such as Macedonians, Albanians and Greeks. I don't think it specifically relates to the dog Mihailov's men. Take for example Mother Teresa and her surname, Bojaxhiu (Bojadziu).

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Most source's i have read, the komitadji term always popped up when Mihajlov's VMRO was mentioned, even in Andrew Rossos's book "Macedonia and the Macedonians". who knows, you could be right SoM.

Have you realised some say Kumitie, not komitite, like in the song "Ja izlezi Gjurgo".
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