Soros, NGOs and Western/foreign meddling in Macedonia

[Prolet]

He is just the tip of the iceberg, why do you think the Journalists are complaining about the Lustracija? If they have nothing to hide then whats the problem? I think all the Journalists from Nova Makedonija signed a document to do with Lustracija, nobody else will follow suit.

I think the Sorosoids, the so called NGO Spy and Kodosh groups who work for our enemies and are trying to control our whole media in Macedonia. But people see first hand what happens, they are on the ground. Macedonia is a small country,people know each other this isnt USA where people only rely on the media for information.

[Rogi]

They are not 'trying' to control the media in Macedonia, they already do control it.

90% of the media market in Macedonia is controlled by the WAZ/MPM monopoly (Utrinski, Vest, Dnevnik).

WAZ Media Group is a foreign owned company (Germany) with a local stooge (Srgjan Kerim) as its' head of Macedonian operations (MPM).

All of the these companies were directly and openly funded (and founded) by the Soros Foundation and the corruption money from the privatisations during SDSM time, of companies like Fershped.

[Prolet]

Rogi, They dont Control Vecer,Nova Makedonija,Sitel,Kanal 5,Televizija Sonce rememer??

They do control a large chunk of the media but not all of it, Rogi i thought Fershped lost its license??

[Rogi]

Fershped was privatised in 1995. Fershped with Shterjo Nakov* bought out Vest when it went broke and owed some 500,000 Deutch marks to the banks.



* Shterjo Nakov is one of, if not the, biggest criminals in Macedonia. His name has practically become a synonym for white-collar crime. It is said that he took well over $1b out of Macedonia. He is one of those few oligarch's with very, very close ties to the SDSM leadership (who are his enablers).

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Rogi

Fershped was privatised in 1995. Fershped with Shterjo Nakov* bought out Vest when it went broke and owed some 500,000 Deutch marks to the banks.



* Shterjo Nakov is one of, if not the, biggest criminals in Macedonia. His name has practically become a synonym for white-collar crime. It is said that he took well over $1b out of Macedonia. He is one of those few oligarch's with very, very close ties to the SDSM leadership (who are his enablers).

Are there any documents that exist that may be incriminating that connect Nakov with SDSM. It might be worthwhile to put together a document detailing his actions during the 91-96 period. If at all possible we could run it by one of the non-WAZ media groups, if there is no legal way to prosecute him, the very least we could do is expose him to the masses.

[Jankovska]

So? VMRO contorls the rest of the media, no one seems to be noting that here? Seen Crn Bumbar, Bel Bumbar and the imbecile of a voditelka?
The media should be independent as it is in the UK. They should wait for an opportunity to come up with shit about politicians not cover for them.

[Rogi]

Which media? The state television MTV and perhaps close ties with Nova Makedonija and a cozy relationship with Vecer.

That's a tiny piece of the market share compared to the others and even then with 2 of them it's not a solid relationship, with Nova Makedonija it's based on patriotism, with Vecer it's based on an unwritten mutually beneficial agreement.

The truth is, WAZ Media Group, a foreign owned group, controls most of the media and propaganda in Macedonia

[Jankovska]

And when you look at it we should not trust any of the papers. Edni se za ednata vlada drugite za drugata a nie se nervirame. The media must be independent, full stop.
I remember watching that programe Crn Bumbar Bel Bumbar and if she were a voditelka on some other TV in the world she'd be fired sooner than she can say Grujo's arse. She is rude, she treats people unfairly and she an obvious VMRO supporter. She would not let anyone question the work of the gov which I think it;s unaccaptable. There are many little programmes like that, many little articles praising our gov. I have the right to question everyone and everything, I voted for that Gov, I still pay taxes, danoci and god knows what else and I pay for TV licence which means I pay her wages. I can question Grujo and Co anytime and anywhere I like. A good gov leader wouldn't mind, he would encourage it instead of hide behind some thick imbecile's skirt like Tanja from bumbar. I am not happy about SDSM controlling the media but you can't say it;s ok for VMRO to do it and not SDSM. It's not ok for either. This is not Jugoslavija. We are meant to be a democratic country, ama od Demokratija i D nema kaj nasite politicari.

[Bratot]

Originally Posted by Rogi

Which media? The state television MTV and perhaps close ties with Nova Makedonija and a cozy relationship with Vecer.

That's a tiny piece of the market share compared to the others and even then with 2 of them it's not a solid relationship, with Nova Makedonija it's based on patriotism, with Vecer it's based on an unwritten mutually beneficial agreement.

The truth is, WAZ Media Group, a foreign owned group, controls most of the media and propaganda in Macedonia

So far Rogi, so far that was the case.

The only pro-DPMNE media were Nova Makedonija, Vecer from the newspapers and Sitel and MTV tv stations.

But... there has been huge reorganization in WAZ/MPM media last month where new editors have come and from the initial signs they are pro-DPMNE oriented which means they will favorite their policy.

That have to be proved in practice of course so we will sit and wait, but if I'm right then the logic is telling me that Gruevski has made some deal with Kerim who is the head of WAZ/MPM for Balkans.

What kind of deal it is, if it is useful for Macedonian interests or it will be another brain washing for a name changing I don't know, I hope not the second.

[Prolet]

Jankovska, Why did you mention Tanja Bumbar for?? I dont know her but i know her Sister who is really kind, she has a show on Telma TV. I dont think Tanja Bumbar is bad at all she gives everyone one minute to state what they like and thats that. Jankovska, When you meet these people you will see they are totally different in real life, some are stuck up and think they are something but alot of them are very down to earth, ive met many of them and i see them all the time.

Nasa TV is Pro Vlada too, the Janko Jadi Burek show is there.

Buktop, Sterjo Nakov owns half of Skopje he is the richest man in Macedonia, Skovin (The Wine) is his, Aleksandar Palace is his, he has alot of capital, Alfa TV is his he is with the Government they shut down Fershped and Lotarija Na Makedonija as punishment and thats that these are the people you either bankrupt them fully or you simply dont touch them. In USA who is going to touch Rupert Murdoch? Or in Australia who is going to touch Richard Pratt,Frank Lowy or Kerry Packer, every country has people like that we all know that.

Sterjo's son, his younger son if you see him you wouldnt believe he is rich at all, he is a very down to earth person. Nothing like his old man, i havnt met one person saying anything bad about him.