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Old 04-02-2011, 08:27 PM   #61
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You are not going to beleive the figures supplied by the bulgarians.When they falsify & put people under duress.Their principal claim is that all macedonians not only in bulgaria but in the whole of macedonia are bulgarian.By oppressing the people they are not going to be open about their ethnicity.We know there are more macedonians in bulgaria than stated in the censuses.Imagination I don't know if you know the history of omo illinden in pirin macedonia & the very things the bulgarians did to suppress them The last thing on their mind( the bulgarians) aren't going to give them representation.The reason being that they go along with their fake censuses
& keeping the macedonians down.So like greece the bulgarians don't let their minorities have freedom.

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Old 04-02-2011, 11:07 PM   #62
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You are not going to beleive the figures supplied by the bulgarians.When they falsify & put people under duress.Their principal claim is that all macedonians not only in bulgaria but in the whole of macedonia are bulgarian.By oppressing the people they are not going to be open about their ethnicity.We know there are more macedonians in bulgaria than stated in the censuses.Imagination I don't know if you know the history of omo illinden in pirin macedonia & the very things the bulgarians did to suppress them The last thing on their mind( the bulgarians) aren't going to give them representation.The reason being that they go along with their fake censuses
& keeping the macedonians down.So like greece the bulgarians don't let their minorities have freedom.
......or have to give back the Macedonian land taken illegally!
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Old 04-03-2011, 03:28 AM   #63
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That's right makedonche.
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Old 04-03-2011, 12:10 PM   #64
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You are not going to beleive the figures supplied by the bulgarians.When they falsify & put people under duress.Their principal claim is that all macedonians not only in bulgaria but in the whole of macedonia are bulgarian.By oppressing the people they are not going to be open about their ethnicity.We know there are more macedonians in bulgaria than stated in the censuses.Imagination I don't know if you know the history of omo illinden in pirin macedonia & the very things the bulgarians did to suppress them The last thing on their mind( the bulgarians) aren't going to give them representation.The reason being that they go along with their fake censuses
& keeping the macedonians down.So like greece the bulgarians don't let their minorities have freedom.
It still depends on how people identify themselves. They could be of Macedonian heritage , but identify themselves as Bulgarians or Serbs or whatever. To tell you the truth, every country tries to make the people its own, for instance the US. Every immigrant there calls himself American and is proud because they set his mind to it. And by the way, even if there is such a thing, why doesn't Macedonia do something ?
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Imagination, you might have a point. If we look at Greeks, they had been calling themselves Romans for longer than your imagination stretches. The even had other names for themselves when they were other ethnicities. They are now Greeks, what a riot .... don't you think!

Macedonians fought to have an independent nation called Macedonia. Greeks didn't, which makes it abundantly clear who the Macedonians are.
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It still depends on how people identify themselves. They could be of Macedonian heritage , but identify themselves as Bulgarians or Serbs or whatever. To tell you the truth, every country tries to make the people its own, for instance the US. Every immigrant there calls himself American and is proud because they set his mind to it. And by the way, even if there is such a thing, why doesn't Macedonia do something ?
Can you specify more clearly what you wrote here?
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Can you specify more clearly what you wrote here?
There was some thing about falsification in George S.' post and I asked "Why doesn't Macedonia do something ?"
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He is referring to the part where you wrote "even if there is such a thing". What 'thing' are you talking about? Elaborate on that point with your next post or see yourself gone from here, you cryptic clown.
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Old 04-05-2011, 12:56 AM   #69
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Imagination if only it were possible the people would identify as macedonian.When you have state run terrorism,forced assimilation,denials to speak their language that's real genocide.You can't identify yourself as macedonian.It's being like a criminal.Do you understand what is going on in bulgaria & greece both in the past & today.The people are not free to express themselves .Everything has virtually been denied to the macedonian people & they are really helpless at the mercy of their occupiers/oppressors.Do you think greece or bulgaria are going to tell the truth that they are falsifying their figures?No way hosey they've got state driven propaganda & they deny macedonians their rights continuously.There are numerous examples from helsinki watch etc that show complete disregard for macedonian minority rights to denials of their existence when in fact there's complete violations & complete disregard for their rights.In a supposedly democratic country like greece & bulgaria it's happening in eu countries.The eu or anyone else doesn't care they have been told about greece & bulgaria but they disregard any notice.

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Old 04-05-2011, 02:00 AM   #70
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George I think Imagination has the same respect for Macedonians rights as Greece and the EU do!
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