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Old 06-28-2017, 07:51 AM   #41
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By the time you hit antiquity you have about 6000 ancestors.
No, one would have 6,000 living ancestors around 12-13 generations ago, i.e. in the 1600s AD.

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Actually it's over 1 million by the time you get to 1000 AD. The reason why is quite simple. For example the total population of the world in 1800s was a billion, the average life is about [or was less] 80 years. So by 1800-1900 nearly a billion have died and about a billion had come to life.
The average life does not play a role in these calculations. 1000 AD is 10 centuries, i.e. 33 generations ago. Anybody’s living ancestors back them are not 1 million but up to power(2;33) which is already 8,5 billion people.

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I meant based on your assumption. The same can apply to Australian Aboriginals or even better Swedes with vikings.
Greece is at a crossing point. The only areas of the world that are not related to us in the historical years are America, Eastern Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa. Yet, the last two may have indirectly contributed something as they did have some interactions with Central Asia and North Africa.



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Old 06-28-2017, 09:11 AM   #42
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No, one would have 6,000 living ancestors around 12-13 generations ago, i.e. in the 1600s AD.



The average life does not play a role in these calculations. 1000 AD is 10 centuries, i.e. 33 generations ago. Anybody’s living ancestors back them are not 1 million but up to power(2;33) which is already 8,5 billion people.



Greece is at a crossing point. The only areas of the world that are not related to us in the historical years are America, Eastern Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa. Yet, the last two may have indirectly contributed something as they did have some interactions with Central Asia and North Africa.



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Wachter’s model calculates that this individual would have 952,279 distinct ancestors in 1077 – only around 0.09% of the maximum but representing fully 86% of the total estimated English population of 1.1 million. This is ultimately the basis for the assertion highlighted at the beginning of this essay that everyone with English ancestry today is descended from 86% of people alive in the country at the time of William the Conqueror.

https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/20...s-do-you-have/

8,5 billion is impossible. If we multiply 50 individuals with that number, it would cross the total number of human beings that have lived in the last millennium.

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Old 08-09-2017, 01:37 PM   #43
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This is how Pedigree collapse actually works:


So how do we explain this?

With a concept called pedigree collapse, which is what happens when people end up with a mate who is somewhat or very closely related to them. So for example, if two cousins had a child, that child would only have six great-grandparents, not eight. Or, to put it another way, there are eight filled great-grandparent spots on that child’s family tree, but two of the spots are duplicates of two other spot.

Read more: https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/01/your-...nd-future.html

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The Targaryens are explained in the same way.
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