The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

[TrueMacedonian]

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

From The Little Book of Big Greek Lies by Risto Stefov

This clown took all of my research on Maknews and MTO and wrote this book and he ends up giving credit to someone else. I shouldn’t be bothered by this but charlatans in the Macedonian community are a dime a dozen.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

This clown took all of my research on Maknews and MTO and wrote this book and he ends up giving credit to someone else. I shouldn’t be bothered by this but charlatans in the Macedonian community are a dime a dozen.

He credits SoM I believe.

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Carlin15

Vasili: The Arvanite language was used by the people in Greece

URLs:
http://360grade.al/148796/vasili-gju...pull-ne-greqi/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEHIqpGtoNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYS60LKiWlg

Vasili: "For many years, Arvanite language was accepted as the language of the people. So, the Arvanite language was the language of the people, while the official language was Hellenic. The most elite area of Nafplio is called "Arvanitja". It is the first capital."

Vasili: "The Arvanites have been an extraordinary factor. They were 90% of the uprising against the Ottomans in 1921."

1. It would be interesting to know what Laertis Vasileiou is saying as he is a Greek-Albanian (meaning half-Greek, half-Albanian).

2. Nope. Arvanite was not the “language of the people", it was the language of the Arvanites. Arvanitia is not an elite segment of Nauplio, it is a beach where hundreds of Albanians were framed and killed by Turks, that’s how it got its’ name.

3. Nope, Arvanites were not an extraordinary factor (or… 90%) of Greek revolution. The extended article on Greek Revolution from English Wikipedia doesn’t even mention them once, while Albanian Wikipedia doesn’t even host an article on Greek Revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence

[TrueMacedonian]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

1. It would be interesting to know what Laertis Vasileiou is saying as he is a Greek-Albanian (meaning half-Greek, half-Albanian).

2. Nope. Arvanite was not the “language of the people", it was the language of the Arvanites. Arvanitia is not an elite segment of Nauplio, it is a beach where hundreds of Albanians were framed and killed by Turks, that’s how it got its’ name.

3. Nope, Arvanites were not an extraordinary factor (or… 90%) of Greek revolution. The extended article on Greek Revolution from English Wikipedia doesn’t even mention them once, while Albanian Wikipedia doesn’t even host an article on Greek Revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=5473

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

1. It would be interesting to know what Laertis Vasileiou is saying as he is a Greek-Albanian (meaning half-Greek, half-Albanian).

2. Nope. Arvanite was not the “language of the people", it was the language of the Arvanites. Arvanitia is not an elite segment of Nauplio, it is a beach where hundreds of Albanians were framed and killed by Turks, that’s how it got its’ name.

3. Nope, Arvanites were not an extraordinary factor (or… 90%) of Greek revolution. The extended article on Greek Revolution from English Wikipedia doesn’t even mention them once, while Albanian Wikipedia doesn’t even host an article on Greek Revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence

Can you provided any sources to discredit Carlin's claims though?

[Carlin]

[Carlin]

"Alien settlers consisting of Romans": identity and built environment in the Julio-Claudian foundations of Epirus in the century after Actium, in R. Sweetman (ed) 2011.
Roman Colonies in the First Century of their Foundation (Oxford): 101-116

Will Bowden

URL:
http://www.academia.edu/11751288/_Al...Oxford_101-116

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Carlin15

Don't know what this is exactly, but of the six notables mentioned in lines 3 & 4 as Arvanites, only one was, Botsaris (a Souliote actually). There are probably discussions for each one of them in the forum (you can use the search engine).

You can also check it in Albanian wikipedia.

[Carlin]

- Today, Cyclades islands such as Syros and Tinos have some entirely Catholic villages and parishes, while many Greeks from the Cyclades have surnames with a distinctly Italo-Venetian origin e.g. Venieris, Ragousis, Dellaportas, Damigos etc.

URL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_the_Archipelago

- Albanians, mostly on the Argosaronic gulf islands, the northeastern Aegean and on some Cycladic islands (e.g. Andros, Ios, Kea and Kythnos),
- Catholics, mostly on the Cyclads, with their most significant communities being on Syros, Tinos, Naxos, Thera, Milos, Paros and Sifnos.

URL:
http://www.ehw.gr/asiaminor/Forms/fL...?lemmaid=10496

[Carlin]

Traditional “Vlach Wedding” in Thebes. Men and women in traditional costumes parade at the central streets of Thebes, re-enacting the custom of the “Vlach wedding” - newsreel 1962:
https://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/r...6C56A814A.html

Greek Vlachs dancing during the Vlach wedding ritual at Thebes city, Boeotia, Greece.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-gr...-88534535.html

In 1830, after liberation of Greece, Vlachs transfered their rituals to Thebes (birthplace of Bacchus, similar to Dionysian symposiums & worships taking place at that time) in an attempt to move from a infertile soil to a fresh pasture for their livestock. The cult combined with Christianity, in The Vlach Wedding revival, a bucolic wedding ritual parody, with a disguised bride, impersonated by a man, called the 'Vlach' thus making a mockery of the wedding custom itself.