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  • Gocka
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 2306

    Yes Yes, is okay is okay, front or back? Is ok is ok we can compromise. Fucking coward.

    Originally posted by VMRO View Post
    Zaev would most likely keep grinning if these EU stooges told him that they will bang his wife and daughter.

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    • maco2envy
      Member
      • Jan 2015
      • 288



      Erdogan becomes the first Turkish president to visit Greece in 65 years in what was initially thought to be a visit to stimulate good neighborly relations between Greece and Turkey, but it quickly turned bitter...

      A sample of what is written:

      Within an hour of stepping off his plane, the pugilistic politician was sparring with the Greek head of state, Prokopis Pavlopoulos. Athens, he said imperiously, would never have entered Nato had it not been for Ankara’s support. As an ally, it should seek to improve the religious rights of the Muslim minority in Thrace which were enshrined in the Lausanne treaty, he insisted, sitting stony-faced in the inner sanctum of the presidential palace. “It needs to be modernised,” he said of the treaty, which has long governed Greek-Turkish relations and is seen as a cornerstone of regional peace.

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      • Stojacanec
        Member
        • Dec 2009
        • 809

        Turkey has done a much greater favour to Greece than Nato membership.

        If it wasn't for the population exchange, Greece would have had a much larger Muslim population to give rights to.

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        • Skolovranec
          Junior Member
          • Mar 2017
          • 52

          They are still pro-EU and pro-NATO. Dealbreaker for me. Even Levica have it half right (being anti-NATO, but pro-EU).

          When will there be a political party bent on avoiding these international organisations and even getting us out of the UN? That's what we need.

          Originally posted by Stefan of Pelagonia
          NDM is the only political party in Macedonia with the courage to defend Macedonia's national interests. They even said that if they come to power they will abolish the framework agreement, and condemn the falsified 2002 census which falsely showed albanians being above 20%.

          However, being a nationalistic right-wing political party means that they don't receive any funds from Europe, unlike their leftist counterparts. That's why they have limited time on TV and not many people know about them. They even banned them from the last parliamentary elections fearing that the majority of Macedonians will like what they hear from that party, and abandon their traditional DPMNE-SDSM allegiances.

          Here is their website:


          However I fear that it's too late now, I don't know if the damage done by SDS can be repaired.
          Anti-EU Pro-Guns National-Libertarian Trekkie Minarchist
          Anti-NATO Pro-United MK Agnostic Secularist Magick Occultist
          Anti-UN Pro-Military Meritocratic Integrationist Altruistic Socio-Darwinist
          Anti-Globalist Pro-Choice Intellectual Pirate Spiritual Vagabond

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          • Starling
            Member
            • Sep 2017
            • 153

            Does that mean there'll be another election?

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            • Solun
              Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 166

              It will be interesting to see the document being prepared in Athens giving fyrom's leader a changed ethnic identity

              The left-wing prime minister of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) says he is ready to renounce his country’s claim to the legacy of Alexander the Great to help solve a 26-year-old dispute with neighboring Greece over the country’s name.

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              • Starling
                Member
                • Sep 2017
                • 153

                When are they going to learn that politicians aren't historians?

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                • Gocka
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 2306

                  Technically they are not, but in practice it has always been the contrary. Politics and its actors have shaped history since they have existed. That is why it is that much more infuriating when our Macedonian politicians act with such either treachery, or unbelievable naivety. Every politicians job is to look out for the interests of the people he/she represents. Our politicians think that it is their duty to make all parties involved happy. Meanwhile our political counterparts couldn't care less about what we think, they are operating only on the principle of doing right by their own people. That is why Macedonia is constantly giving away concessions without ever seemingly getting anything in return.

                  Politics is all about getting what you want, and getting your opposite to believe that they are getting what they want. You are not actually supposed to give them what they want unless what you got is worth more than what you gave up. Our politicians are like freaking Santa Clause, its Christmas every day, just not for Macedonians.

                  Originally posted by Starling View Post
                  When are they going to learn that politicians aren't historians?

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                  • Karposh
                    Member
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 863

                    Originally posted by Karposh View Post
                    Does this mean that it is actually possible Macedonians in Gevgelija and Strumica will wake up one morning to find the Albanian language gracing their new street signs? I know for a fact that Gevgelija does not have a single Albanian living in that town. I think the same is true of Strumica.
                    Originally posted by Ljubco_IZEV View Post
                    Yep, Strumica is also clean. But no, nobody here or in Gevgelija will NEVER accept albanian language. The last siptar who wanted to live here, was forced to go back to Tetovo, because his house was burned. Also, no siptar politican or Zaev had a speech in these parts of Macedonia, because they are afraid. And they should be!
                    Sorry Ljubco but the new shiptar street signs are coming to a place near you and there’s nothing you and I can do anything about it.



                    They must have been sitting in storage somewhere in anticipation of the eventual capitulation because they’re already starting to roll them out throughout that banana republic even as we speak.

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                    • Pelagonija
                      Member
                      • Mar 2017
                      • 533

                      Where will they get the money to implement this project.. this will be a very costly project..

                      What about places where there are a very small amount of Albanians? are they going to bring Albanians from other places to serve schools, admin and local government in Albanian?

                      After all it is official.. the Albanian platform was a good move by the Albanians.. master class.

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                      • Liberator of Makedonija
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 1595

                        Wait so SDSM absolutely blast DPMNE for wasting money on Skopje 2014 but now they are going to spend millions on introducing bilingual signs not just in the west but across the WHOLE country?! Hypocrisy much.
                        I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                        • vicsinad
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 2337

                          We'll see how this impacts the region, if it does lead to something more...

                          A leading Serb politician in northern Kosovo has been gunned down, raising ethnic tensions in the Balkans and prompting the suspension of EU-mediated talks between Kosovo and Serbia.


                          Leading Serb moderate in Kosovo gunned down, spurring police manhunt
                          Oliver Ivanovic was considered a key politician who maintained relations with NATO, EU officials

                          A leading Serb politician in northern Kosovo was gunned down Tuesday morning, raising ethnic tensions in the Balkans and prompting the suspension of EU-mediated talks between Kosovo and Serbia.

                          Assailants opened fire on Oliver Ivanovic, 64, close to the offices of his political party in the Serb-controlled northern city of Mitrovica. He was taken to a hospital, but doctors were unable to save him.

                          The doctors said Ivanovic had received at least five gunshot wounds to his upper torso. The assailants escaped in a car that was later found burned out. Kosovo police sealed off the area of the shooting and began a manhunt for the attackers.

                          Ivanovic was one of the key politicians in Serb-dominated northern Kosovo, a former Serbian province where tensions still remain high a decade after it declared independence in 2008. Serbia does not recognize that independence.

                          Ivanovic was considered a moderate who maintained relations with NATO and EU officials even after Serbia lost the control of its former province following NATO's 1999 bombing to stop a deadly Serb crackdown against ethnic Albanian separatists.

                          A Kosovo court convicted Ivanovic of war crimes during the 1998-99 war. That verdict was overturned and a retrial was underway.
                          In Pristina, the Kosovo government strongly denounced the slaying, saying it considers the attack a challenge to "the rule of law and efforts to establish the rule of law in the whole of Kosovo territory."

                          'All necessary steps'

                          In Belgrade, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic held a top security meeting to discuss the shooting. Afterward, he called the killing "a terrorist act" and said Serbia is demanding that international missions in Kosovo include Serbia in their investigation into the slaying.
                          "Serbia will take all necessary steps so the killer or killers are found," he said.

                          At the news of Ivanovic's slaying, the Serb delegation at the EU talks in Brussels immediately left to return to Belgrade.

                          Serbia's Aleksandar Vucic easily wins presidential election
                          Kosovo applies for UNESCO membership but Serbia opposes
                          Delegation leader Marko Djuric said "whoever is behind this attack ... whether they are Serb, Albanian or any other criminals, they must be punished."

                          European Union foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini called the presidents of Serbia and Kosovo to express the EU's condemnation of the killing. She appealed for both sides "to show calm and restraint."
                          The head of the OSCE Mission in Kosovo, Ambassador Jan Braathu, said he was "shocked and deeply saddened" and considered Ivanovic "among the most prominent Kosovo Serb representatives for almost two decades. "

                          He also urged "all sides to avoid dangerous rhetoric and remain calm at this sensitive time, and recommit themselves to continue the work toward the normalization of relations and improvement of the lives of the citizens of Kosovo and Serbia."

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                          • Liberator of Makedonija
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 1595

                            Greek community of Melbourne attempted to hold a rally today against the name negotiations and the presevation of the name 'Macedonia'. They only managed to gather around 200 people and it fell apart when local Macedonian youths attended to stir them up and then the police ended up coming down on it. Absolute joke.
                            I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                            • maco2envy
                              Member
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 288

                              Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
                              Greek community of Melbourne attempted to hold a rally today against the name negotiations and the presevation of the name 'Macedonia'. They only managed to gather around 200 people and it fell apart when local Macedonian youths attended to stir them up and then the police ended up coming down on it. Absolute joke.
                              circus.mp4:
                              Greece, Macedonia, Name Dispute, Melbourne, Protests, Australia, Alexander The Great

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