Albanians in Greece

[tchaiku]

The figure I used (the 1890 one) does not come from Lithoxoou but from a Western traveller.
I seriously doubt if there were less than 1600 Arvanites in Euboea in 1951 though but it doesn't matter.

[tchaiku]

There is no ethnic continuity between the Ionians of Euboea, Pontus and Attica and the descendants of the modern Atticans, Euboeans and Pontian.

And that's a fact.

[tchaiku]

Originally Posted by tchaiku

Doric colonies of Sicily and their roots.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ialects-en.svg
Syracuse -> Corinth
Casmenai -> Syracuse -> Corinth
Kamarina -> Syracuse -> Corinth
Megara Hyblaea -> Megara
Selinunte -> Megara Hyblaea -> Megara
Heraclea Minoa -> Not known.
Gela -> Rhodes and Crete
Akragas -> Gela -> Rhodes and Crete

Ionic colonies of Sicily:
Zancle -> Euboea
Himaera -> Zancle -> Euboea
Calacte -> Zancle -> Euboea
Naxos -> Euboea
Catania -> Euboea
Leoniti -> Naxos -> Euboea

Most colonies of Sicily seem to come from regions with a largely Albanian-speaking population in 18th century. (Corinthia and Euboea)

[tchaiku]

Varibobi is found in both, the Ottoman defter and Lixouthou map.
The Albanian language of the village survived into the early 20th century.

An ancient inscription was found in the area of ​​the village, which states that races were held in the area in honor of Hera . [2] The village is mentioned in an Ottoman tax register of 1474 under the name Varbob. According to the store, it had 26 houses. [3] According to tradition, its original name was Paleochori, while until 1954 it was known as Varybobi. [2]


https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%94...B9%CE%B1%CF%82
It was renamed as Daphne.

Albanian names in the northwestern village of Euboea.
Another Gin in Druguvica/Drugunica:


Drugunica/Druguvica sounds as a Slavic placename, any opinion?

[Carlin]

Drugunica/Druguvica does seem (obviously) Slavonic:
https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/M._Ar...ropolski/Dryga
https://books.google.ca/books?id=jvY...guvica&f=false

Are there "theories" that it is of Hellenic origin and derivation?

[tchaiku]

The Slavic presence was insigificant in the island even though existent, the biggest demographic change came with the Albanians in the 15th century.

''Unlike much of Byzantine Greece, Euboea was spared the bulk of the barbarian raids during Late Antiquity and the early medieval period, due to its relatively isolated location. The Vandals raided its shores in 466 and in 475, but the island seems to have been left alone by the Avars and Slavs, and it was not until a failed Arab attack on Chalcis in the 870s that the island again came under threat.[6] As a result, the island preserved a relative prosperity throughout the early medieval period, as attested by finds of mosaics, churches and sculpture throughout the 7th century, "even from remote areas of the island". ''

''Mit spürbarer Genugtuung bemerkte Fallmerayer noch für sich, daß der ganze Süden Euböas albanesisch sei und es auch im Norden ein Bächlein mit dem slawischen Namen Bistrica gebe''

With noticeable satisfaction, Fallmerayer remarked for himself that the entire south of Euboea was Albanian and that there was also a brook with the Slavic name Bistrica in the north.

The number of Slavic placenames are quite a few. Anyways I believe most of the Albanian speakers of the north were assimilated by around (add or take 15 years to those dates) by 1700-1800. But that's my opinion not something I can prove myself.

[Soldier of Macedon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites

During the Greek War of Independence, many Arvanites played an important role on fighting on the Greek side against the Ottomans, often as national Greek heroes. With the formation of modern nations and nation-states in the Balkans, Arvanites have come to be regarded as an integral part of the Greek nation. In 1899, leading representatives of the Arvanites in Greece, among them are the descendants of the independence heroes, published a manifesto calling their fellow Albanians outside Greece to join in the creation of a common Albanian-Greek state.[15]

15. First published in Ελληνισμός, Athens 1899, 195-202. Quoted in Gkikas 1978:7-9.

Carlin, have you ever seen this document?

[Carlin]

Unfortunately, I don't think I have seen it in full or found an English version of it.

[tchaiku]

Originally Posted by tchaiku

Ottoman census of the Euboean Island.

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A...;view=fulltext

17th century
"IT Lyes to the North of Boeotia extending North West and South East about 120 miles; Its Breadth, at the broadest place not above 30. It was taken from the Venetians in the year 1471. The soil is very fertile, affording all sorts of Graine, Wine, and Oyle, as likewise Flesh and Fowl; the Sea abounding with Fish. Since the Turks have had possession of it, most of the Greeks are Fled from the Villages, and Townes; So as the inland places are mostly supplyed by Albaneses, who are the Shepherds, and serve the Turks at their Farmes. Formerly here were two Citys, and 500. Townes and Villages; Now there is but one, which can be called a City, which is the ancient Chalcis and now hath the name of the Island; by the Turks it is called Egriboz. It stands on a point of Land, having the Sea two Thirds about it."


https://pdfslide.net/documents/e-bal...registres.html
https://it.scribd.com/doc/212234588/...R-Mpalta-89-01

''Boeotia, with Euboea, is largely in the hands of Toskh Albanians ; Thessaly in those of Vlachs and Anatolians, introduced from Konia about the tenth century ; and Macedonia, north of the Vistritza, in those of a blend of Slav with Bulgar mixed further -with Vlach and Anatolian elements.''

So much changes in just 150 years, most of the Euboean population was replaced and all of Hydra's and Spetse's.


What can we say for those islands from 1AD to 1400 AD? Or even after the death of Archimedes?

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Carlin15

Unfortunately, I don't think I have seen it in full or found an English version of it.

This is a student thesis. Whole chapter 2 (pages 77-113) is about this club/journal (called Hellenism).

http://ikee.lib.auth.gr/record/113900/files/CHATZIS.pdf