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Tomche Makedonche · 05-15-2018, 09:39 PM

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...nce-05-15-2018

Bulgarian Clerics Retreat from Support for Macedonia Church

The Bulgarian Holy Synod decided not to take part in a showpiece celebration with the unrecognised Macedonian Orthodox Church after receiving a letter of complaint from the Serbian patriarchy

The Bulgarian Holy Synod decided late on Monday to refuse an invitation from Macedonian Archbishop Stefan and not attend celebrations for the 1000th anniversary of the creation of the Ohrid Archbishopric on May 27 in Macedonia’s second city.

The decision divided the Synod, with eight members of the governing body of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church voting against, and five members backing participation.

It came against a backdrop of rapprochement between the Bulgarian and the Macedonian clergies over the past six months, ever since the Holy Synod of the Macedonian Church asked the Bulgarian Orthodox Church to assume parental authority over it in November 2017 and encourage its acceptance as an equal member of the Orthodox churches family.

The Macedonian Church is currently unrecognised by other Orthodox Churches due to a long-running dispute over its ecclesiastical independence from the Serbian Orthodox Church, to which it was formerly united.

Later in November, Bulgarian Patriarch Neofit said that the Bulgarian church ought to “take the hand extended by our Macedonian brothers”, and the Holy Synod announced the formation of a committee to lead talks with other Orthodox churches on the status of the Macedonian Church.

There are signals that the sudden change of mind by the Bulgarian church might have been made under pressure.

On Tuesday, the speaker of the Bulgarian Synod, Bishop Kyprian of Stara Zagora, was quoted by Bulgarian newspaper Monitor as saying that the church had received “angry letters” from the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople of the Eastern Orthodox Church Bartholomew I, and from the Serbian Patriarchy.

But the Holy Synod press office told BIRN that the Bulgarian church received only one letter of complaint, from the Serbian Synod.

The Serbian Church has blocked recognition of the Macedonian Church ever since it unilaterally declared "autocephaly", or ecclesiastical independence, in the late 1960s.

The Serbian Church claims the decision was uncanonical – ecclesiastically illegal – and was pushed by Yugoslavia's then Communist government for political reasons

While the Bulgarian Church seems to be backtracking on its support for its Macedonian counterpart, Bulgarians meanwhile seem more positive about Sofia’s relations with Skopje.

A poll published on Tuesday by the Sofia-based sociological agency Trend showed overwhelming support within Bulgaria for Macedonia’s bid to join the EU.

According to the poll, 70 per cent of respondents backed Skopje’s bid for EU membership, with only 15 per cent opposed.

Overall, 61 per cent of the respondents said they believed the expansion of the EU in the Western Balkans would benefit the country, while 58 per cent thought Bulgaria ought to help its neighbours in their membership efforts.

Niko777 · 05-16-2018, 12:17 PM

Not sure if anyone is following this but basically the Russian church had threatened the Bulgarian church not to recognize the Macedonian church (to the satisfaction of Greece and Serbia).

However today it was revealed that the Russian church also sent a threatening letter to the Church of Greece not to recognize the Ukrainian church.

Bill77 · 05-16-2018, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niko777

Not sure if anyone is following this but basically the Russian church had threatened the Bulgarian church not to recognize the Macedonian church (to the satisfaction of Greece and Serbia).

However today it was revealed that the Russian church also sent a threatening letter to the Church of Greece not to recognize the Ukrainian church.

Christ would be shaking his head in dismay.

What a moronic rabble this Eastern Orthodox org is. Christ preached about these hypocrites. If only they read the bible.

Amphipolis · 05-31-2018, 03:00 AM

According to Greek media and an announcement by the Patriarch, it seems that the Macedonian Orthodox Church is returning to the Patriarchate under the name Archdiocese/Archbishopric of Ohrid.

vicsinad · 05-31-2018, 04:31 AM

According to Greek Lies.

And stop posting crap we can't read.

MOC-OA denies: We do not ask the Ecumenical Party to delete the term "Macedonian"

The Synod of the MOC-OA denies all information to the public that the Ecumenical Patriarchate was asked to recognize the status of the church by deleting the Macedonian.

https://telma.com.mk/mpts-oa-demanti...ot-makedonska/

Timothy: MOC-OA seeks recognition of autocephaly, not change of name of church

A month ago, we sent a request to the Ecumenical Patriarchate requesting recognition of the autocephaly of the Macedonian Orthodox Church - Ohrid Archbishopric. Nobody demanded, nor dreamed of any deletion of the name. The church does not give up its name, the bishop Timotej, spokesperson of the MOC-OA, told MKD.mk.

https://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politi...na-na-imeto-na

Amphipolis · 05-31-2018, 04:36 AM

Thanks and don't shoot me. That was clarifying enough.

vicsinad · 05-31-2018, 04:42 AM

Typical case of a Greek crying victim when the gun is in their hands and a body on the floor in front of them.

Phoenix · 05-31-2018, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

Thanks and don't shoot me...

One can always dream...

Stojacanec · 05-31-2018, 08:02 AM

I can't read that article Amphipolis. I wasn't part of the population swap.

Niko777 · 05-31-2018, 02:35 PM

I personally don't have an issue with the MOC's official name being "Ohrid Archpishopric". Many (if not, all) Orthodox churches have a different official name with the word "Patriarchate" or "Autonomous".

The issue I have is if the MOC agrees not to use "Macedonian Orthodox Church" at all, internally, or on the church buildings. Why would other churches be allowed to use an ethnic identifier along side their official name, but not the MOC? Why should a different standard be applied to Macedonians only?

05-15-2018, 09:39 PM	#321
Tomche Makedonche Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ostralija Posts: 1,123	http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...nce-05-15-2018 Bulgarian Clerics Retreat from Support for Macedonia Church The Bulgarian Holy Synod decided not to take part in a showpiece celebration with the unrecognised Macedonian Orthodox Church after receiving a letter of complaint from the Serbian patriarchy The Bulgarian Holy Synod decided late on Monday to refuse an invitation from Macedonian Archbishop Stefan and not attend celebrations for the 1000th anniversary of the creation of the Ohrid Archbishopric on May 27 in Macedonia’s second city. The decision divided the Synod, with eight members of the governing body of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church voting against, and five members backing participation. It came against a backdrop of rapprochement between the Bulgarian and the Macedonian clergies over the past six months, ever since the Holy Synod of the Macedonian Church asked the Bulgarian Orthodox Church to assume parental authority over it in November 2017 and encourage its acceptance as an equal member of the Orthodox churches family. The Macedonian Church is currently unrecognised by other Orthodox Churches due to a long-running dispute over its ecclesiastical independence from the Serbian Orthodox Church, to which it was formerly united. Later in November, Bulgarian Patriarch Neofit said that the Bulgarian church ought to “take the hand extended by our Macedonian brothers”, and the Holy Synod announced the formation of a committee to lead talks with other Orthodox churches on the status of the Macedonian Church. There are signals that the sudden change of mind by the Bulgarian church might have been made under pressure. On Tuesday, the speaker of the Bulgarian Synod, Bishop Kyprian of Stara Zagora, was quoted by Bulgarian newspaper Monitor as saying that the church had received “angry letters” from the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople of the Eastern Orthodox Church Bartholomew I, and from the Serbian Patriarchy. But the Holy Synod press office told BIRN that the Bulgarian church received only one letter of complaint, from the Serbian Synod. The Serbian Church has blocked recognition of the Macedonian Church ever since it unilaterally declared "autocephaly", or ecclesiastical independence, in the late 1960s. The Serbian Church claims the decision was uncanonical – ecclesiastically illegal – and was pushed by Yugoslavia's then Communist government for political reasons While the Bulgarian Church seems to be backtracking on its support for its Macedonian counterpart, Bulgarians meanwhile seem more positive about Sofia’s relations with Skopje. A poll published on Tuesday by the Sofia-based sociological agency Trend showed overwhelming support within Bulgaria for Macedonia’s bid to join the EU. According to the poll, 70 per cent of respondents backed Skopje’s bid for EU membership, with only 15 per cent opposed. Overall, 61 per cent of the respondents said they believed the expansion of the EU in the Western Balkans would benefit the country, while 58 per cent thought Bulgaria ought to help its neighbours in their membership efforts. __________________ “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

05-31-2018, 03:00 AM	#324
Amphipolis Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,328	According to Greek media and an announcement by the Patriarch, it seems that the Macedonian Orthodox Church is returning to the Patriarchate under the name Archdiocese/Archbishopric of Ohrid. Last edited by Amphipolis; 05-31-2018 at 03:11 AM.

05-16-2018, 12:17 PM	#322
Niko777 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,895	Not sure if anyone is following this but basically the Russian church had threatened the Bulgarian church not to recognize the Macedonian church (to the satisfaction of Greece and Serbia). However today it was revealed that the Russian church also sent a threatening letter to the Church of Greece not to recognize the Ukrainian church.

05-31-2018, 04:31 AM	#325
vicsinad Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,337	According to Greek Lies. And stop posting crap we can't read. MOC-OA denies: We do not ask the Ecumenical Party to delete the term "Macedonian" The Synod of the MOC-OA denies all information to the public that the Ecumenical Patriarchate was asked to recognize the status of the church by deleting the Macedonian. https://telma.com.mk/mpts-oa-demanti...ot-makedonska/ Timothy: MOC-OA seeks recognition of autocephaly, not change of name of church A month ago, we sent a request to the Ecumenical Patriarchate requesting recognition of the autocephaly of the Macedonian Orthodox Church - Ohrid Archbishopric. Nobody demanded, nor dreamed of any deletion of the name. The church does not give up its name, the bishop Timotej, spokesperson of the MOC-OA, told MKD.mk. https://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politi...na-na-imeto-na

05-31-2018, 04:36 AM	#326
Amphipolis Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,328	Thanks and don't shoot me. That was clarifying enough.

05-31-2018, 04:42 AM	#327
vicsinad Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,337	Typical case of a Greek crying victim when the gun is in their hands and a body on the floor in front of them.

05-31-2018, 08:02 AM	#329
Stojacanec Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 809	I can't read that article Amphipolis. I wasn't part of the population swap.

05-31-2018, 02:35 PM	#330
Niko777 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,895	I personally don't have an issue with the MOC's official name being "Ohrid Archpishopric". Many (if not, all) Orthodox churches have a different official name with the word "Patriarchate" or "Autonomous". The issue I have is if the MOC agrees not to use "Macedonian Orthodox Church" at all, internally, or on the church buildings. Why would other churches be allowed to use an ethnic identifier along side their official name, but not the MOC? Why should a different standard be applied to Macedonians only?

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