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Old 11-17-2022, 12:20 AM   #621
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Responding to Zelensky’s remarks tonight, a NATO country diplomat told me:

“This is getting ridiculous. The Ukrainians are destroying [our] confidence in them. Nobody is blaming Ukraine and they are openly lying. This is more destructive than the missile.”

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/st...66202955075586
Zelensky is overstepping now. Possibly a case of the old East European "the West is stupid and we'll BS them" attitude. Even if it was a Russian missile, which I don't think it was, I don't see the point of NATO responding over an accident. At first I thought the Poles might push for something (not necessarily a military response) but Ukraine needed to follow the Polish lead, not overstep.
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Old 11-17-2022, 01:02 AM   #622
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Zelensky is overstepping now. Possibly a case of the old East European "the West is stupid and we'll BS them" attitude. Even if it was a Russian missile, which I don't think it was, I don't see the point of NATO responding over an accident. At first I thought the Poles might push for something (not necessarily a military response) but Ukraine needed to follow the Polish lead, not overstep.
This is another example of the truth being the first casualty of war…just add this nonsense to the other BS thrown around at every opportunity by the Ukrainians and their western spin-doctors.

Remember the Russians talking about using nuclear weapons…

Remember when the Russians were shelling the nuclear power plant that they were holding…

Remember all of those Ukrainian women that the Russians were systematically raping…

Remember the mass graves of Ukrainian non-combatants…

Remember the Russian plan to starve the developing world by blockading grain shipments…

Remember Putin’s gas price hike…

I think this speaks volumes of the dire situation that Zelensky finds himself in, why the need to concoct such a story if your military is on the ascendancy, to go to such lengths to fabricate a story that is easily refutable reeks of a special desperation that only a man wedged tightly into a corner can imagine.

On a side note…Albo showed a disturbing lack of statesmanship to jump so spectacularly head first into the Putin Blame Game.

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A little bit about the men behind Ukraine's victories.

https://english.elpais.com/internati...f-ukraine.html
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Old 11-17-2022, 07:11 PM   #624
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This is another example of the truth being the first casualty of war…just add this nonsense to the other BS thrown around at every opportunity by the Ukrainians and their western spin-doctors.

Remember the Russians talking about using nuclear weapons…

Remember when the Russians were shelling the nuclear power plant that they were holding…

Remember all of those Ukrainian women that the Russians were systematically raping…

Remember the mass graves of Ukrainian non-combatants…

Remember the Russian plan to starve the developing world by blockading grain shipments…

Remember Putin’s gas price hike…
Some of those were overhyped, but some did happen. Easy to google.

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I think this speaks volumes of the dire situation that Zelensky finds himself in, why the need to concoct such a story if your military is on the ascendancy, to go to such lengths to fabricate a story that is easily refutable reeks of a special desperation that only a man wedged tightly into a corner can imagine.
The Ukrainian military is clearly the superior force. Zelensky made a political mistake.
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The Ukrainian military is clearly the superior force. Zelensky made a political mistake.
There’s a lot of Baghdad Bob about that statement…
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"Please watch this detailed explanation from former CIA analyst Frank Snepp about how the newspapers and magazines you were taught to regard as mainstream and reliable have always eagerly served as disinformation megaphones for the CIA and the US Security State. That's still true."

https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/s...06899569377282
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Tucker Carlson puts regime media on BLAST after almost goading WWIII with false Russian missile report

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There’s a lot of Baghdad Bob about that statement…
Is there?

This map shows the extent of the Russian invasion from February and how much territory the Ukrainians have taken back.



Its nearly half. There's more than a few "tactical withdrawals" there. Tactical withdrawal - that's the real Baghdad Bob.
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I get the feeling that, besides his fellow actors, Ben Stiller & Sean Penn, support for that drama queen, currently running Ukraine, is starting to wear thin. I predict that it won't be too long (if it hasn't already started) that the citizens of all those countries, who are about to face a freezing winter with sky-rocketing energy costs, won't look too favourably at their respective governments continuing to pour billions of dollars in helping to continue the fight against Russia rather than using that money for the benefit of their own people. Seeing this guy and his missus pose for Vogue magazine and other publications while they are freezing their arses off might just start to wear thin. There will be a backlash against this cocky little man who has gotten quite used to making all these demands from the world to fund his very existence. I have an uncle in Macedonia who has this same attitude and continues to make demands for money from his sisters and other relatives around the world. He's been doing it for 50 years and continues to do so. Never mind the fact that he is nonchalantly goading the world to get involved in a nuclear Armageddon with Russia to that end.
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I get the feeling that, besides his fellow actors, Ben Stiller & Sean Penn, support for that drama queen, currently running Ukraine, is starting to wear thin. I predict that it won't be too long (if it hasn't already started) that the citizens of all those countries, who are about to face a freezing winter with sky-rocketing energy costs, won't look too favourably at their respective governments continuing to pour billions of dollars in helping to continue the fight against Russia rather than using that money for the benefit of their own people. Seeing this guy and his missus pose for Vogue magazine and other publications while they are freezing their arses off might just start to wear thin. There will be a backlash against this cocky little man who has gotten quite used to making all these demands from the world to fund his very existence. I have an uncle in Macedonia who has this same attitude and continues to make demands for money from his sisters and other relatives around the world. He's been doing it for 50 years and continues to do so. Never mind the fact that he is nonchalantly goading the world to get involved in a nuclear Armageddon with Russia to that end.
Europe's not going to run out of gas.

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Also see:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/i...ir%20territory.

I think most Europeans understand the importance of defeating Russia.
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