COVID-19 Pandemic

[Gocka]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Apparently the lockdown has had minimal impact on the spread of the virus...perhaps it is still too early to make a noticeable difference or is it that the Italians are flaunting the advice to lockdown...?

A group of Chinese experts were sent to Milan to help guide the Italian reaction to the crisis. The Chinese experts concluded that the Italian "lock down" was way to lax to be effective. Mass transit was still running, people were still socializing sometimes even in larger groups. So maybe that has something to do with it.

Another problem is that like with any virus you have an incubation period a period of time between infection and becoming symptomatic. I see the same thing unfolding here in New Jersey, they are waiting to see a surge in infections and deaths before they mandate anything dramatic. If you start seeing a surge in cases, those cases were first infected a week or two prior, how many people did that infected group manage to infect by the time they became symptomatic. Its exponential growth and the only way to stop it is to go to the extreme of forcing people to stay home and shut everything down. No one wants to take that step until things get bad at which point its probably too late to stop it no matter what you do.

New Jersey is basically a giant suburb of NYC, this region along with California are going to become quickly overwhelmed.

One frightening case I read about was actually here in New Jersey. 4 people in one family died from Corona, a 70+ year old woman, who was a mother to 11 children. The mother died, including 3 of her children, who were all in their 50's. On top of that 4 more of her children are in the hospital. They didn't say under what circumstances. Normally they highlight that they had underlying health problems. Its highly unlikely that 8 of them all had underlying health problems, especially the ones in their 50's.

I still have not see age breakdowns of the victims from Italy.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Gocka

... I see the same thing unfolding here in New Jersey, they are waiting to see a surge in infections and deaths before they mandate anything dramatic. If you start seeing a surge in cases, those cases were first infected a week or two prior, how many people did that infected group manage to infect by the time they became symptomatic. Its exponential growth and the only way to stop it is to go to the extreme of forcing people to stay home and shut everything down. No one wants to take that step until things get bad at which point its probably too late to stop it no matter what you do...

Are they going down the 'herd immunity' path in Jersey...or just a slow response...?

The Western nations (particularly the US) are least equipped to handle this in terms of their uncompromising attitudes to personal freedoms...nobody can lockdown an entire region or nation for that matter as well as an authoritarian system can, nor does the West have the willingness to throw lives at the problem...

[Gocka]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Are they going down the 'herd immunity' path in Jersey...or just a slow response...?

The Western nations (particularly the US) are least equipped to handle this in terms of their uncompromising attitudes to personal freedoms...nobody can lockdown an entire region or nation for that matter as well as an authoritarian system can, nor does the West have the willingness to throw lives at the problem...

100% slow response and as you put it perfectly a reluctance to take away personal freedoms. Americans are quite stubborn about being told what to do and that will be their downfall. There is already debate about whether it is legal to demand people stay indoors. As far as I'm aware any mandates that have been given thus far in any state seems to be voluntary for individuals, only businesses seem to be legally required although I'm not sure about that either. Every business owner I tall.to says the same thing, we.will.work until they tell us we cant.

Leaders know the toll this will take economically and they are too chicken shit to take the bold actions that are required. It's very simple a child can understand, if you really want it to stop spreading you keep people away from each other
That's it, simple as that. That will ruin the economy and put a lot of people in dire financial positions. Those are your choices.

Like every where else when people start to die and hospitals become overwhelmed they will take those dramatic steps but what will be the point when the virus will have already spread.

[Phoenix]

Some interesting strategies...

https://theconversation.com/the-case...is-gone-134232

[Carlin]

Feb 11, 2020 - Hundreds of trucks spray disinfectants in Luoyang, China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-RqckJAulM

Mar 16, 2020 - Serbia's state of emergency: ‘China is the only country that can help’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P42OrsA045M

Mar 19, 2020 - EU thanks China for providing anti-epidemic supplies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzGpKdaReXw

Mar 20, 2020 - Italian mayor shouts out to tell citizens to stay at home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DogS6dIe2t4

[Carlin]

Death toll in Italy rises by 793 in the past 24 hours.

Overall, the number of confirmed cases in Italy is now 53,578.

[tchaiku]

It surely will catch China's total number of infected people. Horrible!

[Gocka]

Originally Posted by Carlin15

Death toll in Italy rises by 793 in the past 24 hours.

Overall, the number of confirmed cases in Italy is now 53,578.

What were the new daily infections today I can't seem to find it? It was 6000 yesterday, I want to know if it still going up.

[tchaiku]

Today:
1. China 81,008 (+41)

2. Italy 53,578 (+6,557)

3. Spain 25,374 (+3,803)

4. USA 24,116 (+4,733)

5. Germany 22,084 (+2,236)

6. Iran 20,610 (+966)

7. France 14,459 (+1,847)

8. S.Korea 8,799 (+147)

9. Switzerland 6,489 (+874)

10. UK 5,018 (+1,035)


Yesterday:

1. China 80,967 (+39)

2. Italy 47,021 (+5,986)

3. Spain 20,412 (+2,335)

4. Germany 19,848 (+4,528)

5. Iran 19,644 (+1,237)

6. USA 16,638 (+2,849)

7. France 12,612 (+1,617)

8. S.Korea 8,652 (+87)

9. Switzerland 5,381 (+1,159)

10. UK 3,983 (+714)

[tchaiku]

USA will probably top the list.