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  • Pelister
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2742

    #91
    On the question of 'truth' and the capacity for the New Greek to tell lies there were a number of contemporaries who had observed the ability of the New Greek to lie about the Macedonian demographic.

    A contemporary had caught onto the deception at the turn of last century.

    Mr. Authur J. Evans, noted in 1903 that:

    It is an unpleasant duty to have to tell ones friend’s home truths, but the Greek claim to Macedonia, at least the greater part of the country, is a dream...the statistics rest on an artificial basis.
    It was not the first time that English diplomats, officials and gentleman, who were for the most part fervent philhellenes had to comment on the deceiving qualities of the New Greeks in terms of colonial aspirations, and conquest.

    Other British ministers had observed the same practices of the New Greeks, who they believed had deliberately published falsehoods about the regions demographic. Sir G. Campbell had said in January 26, 1877, that:

    The Greeks publish unblushing falsehoods, trusting to our ignorance. I cannot answer for the correctness of my ethnological map in every particular, but this I can say, from my own personal knowledge and observations the Greek one is wholly false. ‘Extract from a Speech of Sir G. Campbell at Kirkraldy, delivered January 26, 1877’]
    Last edited by Pelister; 09-07-2010, 09:56 PM.

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    • makedonche
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 3242

      #92
      Originally posted by Pelister View Post
      On the question of 'truth' and the capacity for the New Greek to tell lies there were a number of contemporaries who had observed the ability of the New Greek to lie about the Macedonian demographic.

      A contemporary had caught onto the deception at the turn of last century.

      Mr. Authur J. Evans, noted in 1903 that:


      It was not the first time that English diplomats, officials and gentleman, who were for the most part fervent philhellenes had to comment on the deceiving qualities of the New Greeks in terms of colonial aspirations, and conquest.

      Other British ministers had observed the same practices of the New Greeks, who they believed had deliberately published falsehoods about the regions demographic. Sir G. Campbell had said in January 26, 1877, that:
      Pelister
      Haven't we ben saying this all along! The most prominent qualities of the Greeks - "Liars" & "Thieves". It is our duty as promulgators of the "truth" to ensure that history defines the Greeks for what they truly were,are and probably will be - liars and thieves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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      • George S.
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 10116

        #93
        The greeks are a bunch of lying & thieving bastards.We should reveal the truth to the whole world so that the world doesn't give their support to them but to the macedonians.
        "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
        GOTSE DELCEV

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        • Greek_Truth
          Banned
          • Sep 2010
          • 3

          #94
          Macedonian is greek

          Whatever you say whatever you think greek people live there you live know since 10000 years ago. Turks wanted Izmir they took it,also the half Cyprus. Albanians want the half Epirus.You want the half Macedonia. Now? All these years of greek culture and you telling us now that you are Macedonians? From the ancient years? And for what Macedonian language you speak? The letter isn't greek.You must know that Alexander was born in Greece. He was talking greek and his mother was from Epirus (a greek ancient nation) also a greek was his father. He never spoke your slavish language. All these things you say all the time, is a propaganda from your politicians who have Americans behind them (and they want to make war with us to buy guns, and also they don't know about the greek history) and 1991 was the first time you wrote that our macedonian is yours. You try to proove that you are people, who no one cares about you and you are so unhappy and want your piece of your "land" back. Read some ancient books (greek books not your fake books). So come and get it if you want. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ.

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          • TrueMacedonian
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 3810

            #95
            Originally posted by Greek_Truth View Post
            Whatever you say whatever you think greek people live there you live know since 10000 years ago. Turks wanted Izmir they took it,also the half Cyprus. Albanians want the half Epirus.You want the half Macedonia. Now? All these years of greek culture and you telling us now that you are Macedonians? From the ancient years? And for what Macedonian language you speak? The letter isn't greek.You must know that Alexander was born in Greece. He was talking greek and his mother was from Epirus (a greek ancient nation) also a greek was his father. He never spoke your slavish language. All these things you say all the time, is a propaganda from your politicians who have Americans behind them (and they want to make war with us to buy guns, and also they don't know about the greek history) and 1991 was the first time you wrote that our macedonian is yours. You try to proove that you are people, who no one cares about you and you are so unhappy and want your piece of your "land" back. Read some ancient books (greek books not your fake books). So come and get it if you want. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ.
            Admins please don't ban this one yet. He will give us some ood laughs lol.
            Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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            • julie
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 3869

              #96
              Originally posted by Greek_Truth View Post
              Whatever you say whatever you think greek people live there you live know since 10000 years ago. Turks wanted Izmir they took it,also the half Cyprus. Albanians want the half Epirus.You want the half Macedonia. Now? All these years of greek culture and you telling us now that you are Macedonians? From the ancient years? And for what Macedonian language you speak? The letter isn't greek.You must know that Alexander was born in Greece. He was talking greek and his mother was from Epirus (a greek ancient nation) also a greek was his father. He never spoke your slavish language. All these things you say all the time, is a propaganda from your politicians who have Americans behind them (and they want to make war with us to buy guns, and also they don't know about the greek history) and 1991 was the first time you wrote that our macedonian is yours. You try to proove that you are people, who no one cares about you and you are so unhappy and want your piece of your "land" back. Read some ancient books (greek books not your fake books). So come and get it if you want. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ.
              You are SO funny, what drugs are you on you stupid "hellene" ah ha ha ha ha ha
              "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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              • Makedonetz
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 1080

                #97
                Man where's Dimko and his appropiate avatar pic for an occasion as this!
                Makedoncite se borat
                za svoite pravdini!

                "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                - Goce Delchev

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                • makedonche
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 3242

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Greek_Truth View Post
                  Whatever you say whatever you think greek people live there you live know since 10000 years ago. Turks wanted Izmir they took it,also the half Cyprus. Albanians want the half Epirus.You want the half Macedonia. Now? All these years of greek culture and you telling us now that you are Macedonians? From the ancient years? And for what Macedonian language you speak? The letter isn't greek.You must know that Alexander was born in Greece. He was talking greek and his mother was from Epirus (a greek ancient nation) also a greek was his father. He never spoke your slavish language. All these things you say all the time, is a propaganda from your politicians who have Americans behind them (and they want to make war with us to buy guns, and also they don't know about the greek history) and 1991 was the first time you wrote that our macedonian is yours. You try to proove that you are people, who no one cares about you and you are so unhappy and want your piece of your "land" back. Read some ancient books (greek books not your fake books). So come and get it if you want. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ.
                  Greek_Truth
                  Now theres a contradiction in terms - the use of the word Greek and Truth in the same sentence! I just wanted to thank you for coming on to the forum and proving what I said 2 posts earlier! Thank you for your post it proves the first part of my statement - "Liars", very nicely!
                  On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                  • Bill77
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 4545

                    #99
                    Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                    Greek_Truth
                    Now theres a contradiction in terms - the use of the word Greek and Truth in the same sentence!
                    Spot on makedonche.
                    If he called him self "The Real_Truth" then i would be warried.

                    Greek Truth???? hmmmmmm an Ostrich buries its head in the sand when it wants to hide from something thinking if he can't see it, then the others can't see him ither.
                    Now we know how ridiculous the Ostrich is and the truth is he can be seen clearly.

                    But to give the Ostrich some credit, there are some more ridiculous than it, check post 94 and you will see what i mean.
                    http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                    • sf.
                      Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 387

                      I totally agree!
                      Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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                      • makedonche
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 3242

                        Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
                        Spot on makedonche.
                        If he called him self "The Real_Truth" then i would be warried.

                        Greek Truth???? hmmmmmm an Ostrich buries its head in the sand when it wants to hide from something thinking if he can't see it, then the others can't see him ither.
                        Now we know how ridiculous the Ostrich is and the truth is he can be seen clearly.

                        But to give the Ostrich some credit, there are some more ridiculous than it, check post 94 and you will see what i mean.
                        Bill
                        So true! Not only that but the ostrich is better looking than most of them!
                        On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                        • Soldier of Macedon
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 13670

                          What a waste, another stupid moron from 10,000 BC.

                          Where are the normal Greeks in this world? Where are the other Spartans?? No kidding, were it not for some of my close Greek friends, I would give up all hope on Greeks. It is largely because of them that I believe not all of them are a pack of racist idiots.
                          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                          • Bratot
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 2855

                            Originally posted by Pelister View Post
                            On the question of 'truth' and the capacity for the New Greek to tell lies there were a number of contemporaries who had observed the ability of the New Greek to lie about the Macedonian demographic.

                            A contemporary had caught onto the deception at the turn of last century.

                            Mr. Authur J. Evans, noted in 1903 that:

                            It was not the first time that English diplomats, officials and gentleman, who were for the most part fervent philhellenes had to comment on the deceiving qualities of the New Greeks in terms of colonial aspirations, and conquest.
                            I would suggest to be more deliberated when you cite Evans.

                            This is a pre-1923 historical reproduction that was curated for quality. Quality assurance was conducted on each of these books in an attempt to remove books with imperfections introduced by the digitization process. Though we have made best efforts - the books may have occasional errors that do not impede the reading experience. We believe this work is culturally important and have elected to bring the book back into print as part of our continuing commitment to the preservation of printed works worldwide.
                            The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13670

                              Evans was an anti-Macedonian bigot who was as deceptive as the regular Greek racist.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                              • TrueMacedonian
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 3810

                                In the 1990s, extensive qualitative and quantitative research has provided ample evidence of ethnocentrism in the Greek educational system. Mirroring their Balkan counterparts, the basic themes of Greek schoolbooks revolve around the concepts of continuity, preservation, homogeneity, resistance, and superiority. National identity is viewed as transcendental and continuous from antiquity to the present. The “West” is viewed as a threatening presence, while neighboring countries become targets for exalting Greek superiority. Such stereotypes are also reflected in the public's attitudes. For example, a survey conducted in 1995-96 in Greek Macedonia found that 64.6% of the respondents “disliked” the Macedonians (Mihalopoulou et al., 1998:201). Just like the Bulgarians or the Serbs, Greeks appear to have been unfairly treated in key historical moments (Dragona, 1997:84-85; Hopken, 1996). The growing socioeconomic gap between the Balkans and the “West” is contextualized as a threat to national identity (Dragona, 1997:87-89). Technological progress is viewed as an element alienating people from their own identity and ultimately threatening national authenticity.
                                Collective Memory, National Identity, and Ethnic Conflict - by Victor Roudometof, page 15.

                                Indoctrinating the drones is how the toilet bowl state of modern "greece" needs to operate an efficient, racist, xenophobic state hellbent on keeping the fable of "hellenism" alive.
                                Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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