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  • Daskalot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 4345

    the message is quite clear to anyone except our Greek friends, Macedonians exist.
    Macedonian Truth Organisation

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    • Risto the Great
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 15658

      Isn't it abundantly clear that Macedonians have been around much longer than Tito can take credit for. I find these kinds of threads have achieved this purpose many times over and have a cumulative effect that is making less and less of an impact now.

      The argument for a Greek identity if infinitely more difficult than the Macedonian one. You can be a Greek if you are part of the Orthodox church, you speak any one of a number of languages, you have diverse customs which are abandoned at some time in your history and sometimes rely on a "feeling". Not very objective at all. Let those former cultural identities prove their Greekness by confirming their cultural practices from over 100 years ago. What have THEY given up to become Greeks? It is almost a pre-requisite to give up something to be a modern Greek. If they were more honest about the modern Greek identity, it would be far more palatable to hear their dribble.
      Risto the Great
      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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      • voden-lerin
        Junior Member
        • May 2009
        • 28

        The "New Immigration"


        In 1890, the third and last great wave of European immigration to America began. Derisively labelled "new immigrants" to distinguish them from earlier Northern European immigrants, six million Catholics, Jews, and Orthodox Christians from Southern, Central and Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and the Middle East entered the United States over the next 30 years. Most Orthodox Christians in North America are descended from one or more of these Albanian, Arab, Belarussian, Bulgarian, Cossack, Estonian, Georgian, Greek, Greek Catholic (Uniate), Gypsy, Macedonian, Montenegrin, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, or Ukrainian "new immigrants.



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        The CPP began officially in Canada in Toronto, Ontario, on 5 January 1930 in the Macedonian Hall.
        Croatian and Macedonian immigrants, because of the similar positions that their respective compatriots had within Yugoslavia, established good and friendly relations. Both groups oposed the regime in Yugolsavia in particular because it suppressed their civil liberties in their respective homelands. Soon after the party was founded formally in Canada, local chapters began to appear in locales with sizable numbers of Croatian immigrants.



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        Beginnings of the
        Ukrainian Settlement
        in Toronto, 1903-14

        In 1908 John A. Kolesnikoff, a native of Kherson, southern Ukraine, was hired by the Baptist Home Mission Board for missionary work among Ukrainians, Poles, Russians, Bulgarians and Macedonians. He opened three missions in Toronto-one at 426 King Street East, where he resided with his family and where the main activities took place, the second at 10 1/2 Alice Street, which was later moved to Elizabeth Street and then to York Street, and the third was opened in 1913 on Dundas Street in West Toronto. The last two were for Ukrainians, Poles and Russians and, beside the regular Bible readings, offered reading-rooms with various publications and evening courses in English and native languages.

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        • TrueMacedonian
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 3810

          More youtube vids on the Macedonian Immigrants topic from MTO. Thanks again SunFromGovrlevo

          YouTube - Macedonian imigration 1
          YouTube - Macedonian imigration PART 2
          Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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          • Soldier of Macedon
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 13670

            I will say it again TM, excellent stuff, and great that you have worked to consolidating the information in one place, which will make it easier for reference purposes when the time comes
            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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            • Risto the Great
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 15658

              I did not see Macedonian mentioned once in that Youtube production.
              My name is Hristo Blindakis.
              Risto the Great
              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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              • TrueMacedonian
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 3810






                page 175


                Scopia??? Or Skopje???
                Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                • Bratot
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2855

                  The Macedonian-American Society ALEXANDER THE GREAT

                  Registered as:
                  The Macedonian-American Society
                  ALEXANDER THE GREAT
                  Columbus, Ohio
                  Organized March 9th, 1938







                  PREAMBLE
                  "We the Macedonians from Macedonia, part of the former Turkish empire, immigrants in Columbus, Franklin County, Ohio, associate ourselves together in a fraternal, non-political and non-ecclesiastical organization to be called the “Macedonian American Society Alexander the Great” of Columbus, Ohio."




                  Damn you Tito!
                  The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                  • Bij
                    Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 905

                    hey, what is colonel sanders doing in the Macedonian-American society?

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                    • Daskalot
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 4345

                      Macedonians arriving at Ellis Island, NY, USA early 20th century!

                      Many Macedonians fled from the turmoil and fighting ravaging their native land to seek refuge in the United Sates of America.
                      They first set foot on Ellis Island, New York.

                      Here are 10 ship manifestos showing the Macedonians. The year of arrival is 1905.

                      I will continue to post ship manifestos in this thread, stay tuned.

                      Enjoy!




















                      Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                      • Daskalot
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 4345



                        Info about the Manifesto:
                        Ship: La Gascogne
                        Arrival date: October 12th 1903
                        Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                        • Daskalot
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 4345



                          Info about the Manifesto:
                          Ship: Pretoria
                          Arrival date: November 1st 1907
                          Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                          • Dejan
                            Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 589

                            Well done Daskalot! The evidence must be shocking to our southern friends
                            You want Macedonia? Come and take it from my blood!

                            A prosperous, independent and free Macedonia for Macedonians will be the ultimate revenge to our enemies.

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                            • Pelister
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2742

                              Australian Document from 1925

                              This document is interesting because it offers us an insight into how Macedonians are "lost" beneath the weight of various colonial classifiers.

                              In 1925 the Attorney Generals Deparment filed an investigation into emigrant workers, who had come to Australia expecting to find work, but did not, and who had become distressed about their unemployed status.

                              The title of file is "Greeks, Macedonians, Jugo-slavs - Unemployed".

                              I opened the file and found about seven pages of various lists and letters. There is a letter titled "Stranded Greeks in Melbourne" and several references in that letter to "Greeks and Yugoslavs" and even a list of the unemployed emigrants by name. That list is interesting in itself because all the names on it look Greek, and look Serbian, respectively. More interesting is that Mr. Gregarios Econmides "acted as spokeperson for his countrymen", and even provided the list of unemployed men to the officer investigating the mater.

                              In the letter (21st March, 1925) to the Secretary of the Home and Territories Department, Melbourne, titled "Stranded Greeks in Melbourne", the Officer investigating the matter in more detail had this to say about the list of unemployed "Greeks" (and "Yugoslavs") ...


                              The immigrants concerned are practially all natives of Macedonia. They are racially more Slavic than Greek, and have become subjects of Greece only during recent years. There has been a lack of sympathy and help extended to them by the Greek community in Melbourne.

                              With few exceptions these Macedonian immigrants are men under the age of thirtyyears and of an honest hardworking type, although in some cases of a low standard of intellect ...

                              Mr. Economides, who has acted as spokeman for his countrymen, has sufficient knowledge of English to enable these cases to be plainly stated ...
                              Just goes to show how easily Macednonians can be "lost" or "disappear" beneath the rather superficial markers imposed on them by Greek and Serbian colonial regimes.

                              It is interesting how if the matter had not been investigated in more detail, how these "natives of Macedonia" would have been lost to us, or worse been permanently labelled as ethnic "Greeks" and "Serbians".


                              National Archives of Australia, Item No. 429632
                              Last edited by Pelister; 11-16-2009, 02:33 AM.

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                              • Soldier of Macedon
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 13670

                                Pelister, that is a strong find mate, well done. Where can we access more, state library?
                                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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