Population of Macedonia and Adjacent Areas

[osiris]

rogi very funny man you are talking to osiris you forget and the soho in london is a place i know very well for many best unsaid reasons.

if its suho its very interesting in the ight of the poster on maknews called suhin.

[TrueMacedonian]

Originally Posted by osiris

rogi very funny man you are talking to osiris you forget and the soho in london is a place i know very well for many best unsaid reasons.

if its suho its very interesting in the ight of the poster on maknews called suhin.

Next time you visit NYC Osiris I'll take you to Soho

[TrueMacedonian]

page 13

[Onur]

This is a quote from the book "Osmanlı İmparatorluğu ve Modern Türkiye" by Stanford SHAW & Ezel Kural SHAW, (1982);



Table above here, shows the censuses done by Ottoman Empire. So, this is the Turkish sources only. This results shows the population of current ROM, Aegean Macedonia, Vardar and Pirin(all these lands considered as Macedonia for Ottoman Empire).

Translation;
1882 - 1895 - 1904 - 1906 = The years of censuses.
Gruplar = Groups
Müslüman = Muslims
Rum-Ortodoks = People who declare that they are the member of Greek Orthodox patriarchy.
Bulgar-Ortodox = People who declare that they are the member of Bulgarian Orthodox patriarchy.
Katolik (Yunan) = People who declare that they are the member of Greek Catholic church.
Ulah = Vlachs
Sırp = Serbians
Musevi v.d. = Jewish and the rest of people.
TOPLAM = Total


It seems that Ottoman Empire only did censuses according to people`s religion, not ethnicity for the majority groups of Macedonia but i see that Christians are divided into 2 category. As far as i understood, there was two different patriarchy where people belonged to, Bulgarian orthodox patriarchy and Greek equivalent of it. There is only mention of Serbs, Jews and Vlachs, probably because they regarded as minorities.









This is a quote from the book “The Evolution of the Ethnographic Map of Yugoslavia: A Historical Geographic Interpretation” by HOFFMAN, George W., (1977);



Table above here, shows the censuses done by Serbians, Greeks, Bulgarians and Germans.

Translation;
Etnik gruplar = Groups by ethnicity
Sırp Görüşü(1889) = Serbian census at 1889
Yunan Görüşü(1889) = Greek census at 1889
Bulgar Görüşü (1900) = Bulgarian census at 1900
Alman Görüşü(1905) = German census at 1905
Sırp = Serbians
Makedon-Slav = Macedonian
Yunan = Greek
Arnavut = Albanian
Ulah = Vlachs
Diğer = Other groups
TOPLAM = Total


It seems that especially after 1880s, Bulgarians, Serbians and Greeks doing census for Macedonia and their results are so varied. Greeks says that majority of people are Greeks, Bulgarians says the same for themselves and Serbians too. Also the author of the book says that in every census done by Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, they deliberately shows Muslim population lower than the real numbers. All of them blames each other for publishing false census results. Ofc this is understandable since all of them wanted Macedonia for themselves.








The map of Macedonia according to Turkish sources of late 19th century;







The Districts of Macedonia at 19th century;

Translation;
Nom Ottoman = Turkish names of the districts.
Nom actuel = Current names of the districts.
Pays actuel = Current location of districts.









Population of districts in Macedonia according to 1831 census done by Ottoman Empire. This table only shows male population;

Translation;
Musulman = Muslim men.
Rayas = Turkish term of 19th century for all of the non-muslim Ottoman Empire citizens.







Population of districts in Macedonia between 1882...1893 census done by Ottoman Empire. This table only shows male population;

Translation;
Musulman = Muslim population
Grecs = The population of the people who declare that they are member of Greek Orthodox patriarchy.
Bulgares = The population of the people who declare that they are member of Bulgarian Orthodox patriarchy.
Juifs = Jewish population
Autres = Others.






The population of Macedonia given by percentages, according to religious groups in districts between 1882...1893. This census done by Ottoman Empire and the table only shows male population;

Translation;
Musulman = Muslim population
Grecs = The population of the people who declare that they are member of Greek Orthodox patriarchy.
Bulgares = The population of the people who declare that they are member of Bulgarian Orthodox patriarchy.
Juifs = Jewish population
Autres = Others.

[TrueMacedonian]

page 82

[TrueMacedonian]

Here is the essence of Pejcinovich arguement as to why a Christian in northwestern Macedonia in the early 19th century should continue to cling to his Christian faith in this increasingly Islamic region, as new Moslem settlers continued to arrive from independent Serbia. In that time and place the Christian faith conferred second-class citizenship and a lack of full protection of property and person under the law.

'The 19th Century Macedonian Awakening' by Michael Seraphinoff, page 46

[Venom]

Man I love these threads. This is the best, most informative site on the internet when it comes to Macedonia and Macedonians. Risto, SoM, TM and the rest, it's just awesome.

[julie]

Absolutely Venom!
TM has some gems

[TrueMacedonian]

Thanks you guys. I'm just happy to spread the truth with all of you.

[Pelister]

Armenians obviously were not that 'great' in terms of numbers in Solun, or there would have been more contemporary evidence of them.