Shmuel Vaknin aka 'Sam' - The Liar

[fyrOM]

He is quite accurate on a lot of points.

[zadan]

http://www.a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=126980

[zadan]

Sitel TV Vaknin demystifies name issue

http://www.sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/make...porot-za-imeto

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Sammy Vaknin is a Branko Crvenkovski mouth piece and ANYTHING he says about the name issue is coming straight from his financial sources .. Branko, MaNGO and Soros. Disregard this person when possible because his voice is not the official one of most Macedonians in the world and he has a personal interest in the bigger picture - a paid job.

Really hard to believe that he's Jewish and PRO ethnic cleansing - bolen e

- Samual Vaknin - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), $elf-love

[Venom]

This guy is still bitter about getting fired. Sam, it's been years mate. Let it go.

[Risto the Great]

Greek-Macedonian Name Issue Myths Debunked

Sam Vaknin, Ph.D. - 9/2/2010

In the absence of the glare of the global media, its coverage and exposure, the fourth-rate diplomats that stand in for the International Community in Macedonia ineffectually cajole its government with thinly veiled threats, Cassandra-like apocalyptic scenarios, and verbal bribery. To achieve their aims, they propagate three myths (not to say deceptions):

Myth number 1: The conflict initiated by Greece is “normal” and not intractable

The truth is that the “Name Issue” cannot be resolved because the diametrically-opposing positions of the parties occupy the same semantic and geopolitical space. Both fear for their cohesion and identity should they compromise.

The Greek demand - that Macedonia and, consequently, the Macedonians change their collective (national) name - is unreasonable ab initio. Unreasonable demands cannot be rendered reasonable by being modified or amended. Greek “flexibility” and “reasonableness” are, therefore, smokescreens behind which lurk irrationality and extremism.

Sovereign polities should never succumb to blackmail and extortion: not because of ethical or moral considerations or matters of national pride, but because concessions only tend to enhance the insatiability of blackmailers and extortionists. Macedonia gave in to Greek blackmail once (with regards to its flag), yet this did not slake Greece’s thirst for more.

The name issue negotiations consume vast and scarce resources, especially in terms of human capital. Macedonia is a poor country and this Greek diversion is proving to be lethal as far as its economic development and geopolitical prospects go.

In truth, Macedonia is winning the diplomatic and public opinion battle the world over. More than 120 members of the United Nations recognize it by its constitutional name and not a week passes by without a commiserating op-ed in some prime medium in the West. Greece looks bad: an extortionate bully in the throes of economic mayhem and domestic terrorism. Faced with such an asymmetry in global sympathy, why should Macedonia be the one to throw in the towel?

Myth number 2: A lack of progress (read: Macedonian capitulation) on the name issue will foster inter-ethnic unrest and worse

Ardent, well-choreographed protestations aside, the Albanians in Macedonia ought to be delighted with the lack of progress on both NATO and EU accession. The overwhelming majority of Albanians in Western Macedonia are enmeshed in activities which can only be charitably described as “informal”. The Albanians are the engine that runs the grey and black and criminal economies in Macedonia. EU accession will put an abrupt stop to all these lucrative endeavours and unravel networks that took decades to build and maintain.

Furthermore, the Albanian insurgency in 2001 was the outcome of copious nods and winks (and dollops of materiel) on the part of the United States and, to a lesser extent, the EU. No such support, implicit or explicit, is to be found today: the International Community is firmly and irrevocably committed to the Ohrid Framework Agreement and will not allow the Albanians to use weapons to try to alter its generous terms.

Albanian posturing concerning the Macedonian procrastination with regards to the Name Issue has to do with internecine strife between the two big Albanian parties: DUI and DPA. They both leverage the name issue and threaten civil war in order to re-divide the spoils of government on all levels.

Myth number 3: EU Accession is Macedonia’s ticket to instant and sustained prosperity

The EU is in the throes of a life-threatening crisis and the entire enlargement project is in ever-growing doubt. Even if the EU were to emerge unscathed from this predicament, its harried officials still regard the Western Balkans as a cesspit, an Ottoman-Byzantine-Oriental Muslim-infested relic in the heart of an otherwise civilized, genteel, and Christian Europe (read: West). The more bigoted of the EU members are going to drag the negotiations with the likes of Macedonia as they have been doing with Turkey for decades now.

Macedonia currently enjoys all the benefits of EU membership without incurring any of its costs: it has free trade, visa-free travel, and access to regional development funds and EU tenders. The costs of accession are bound to be crippling: Macedonia’s sheltered and inefficient industries will crumble in the face of European competition; its judiciary and legislature will be buried under the 84,000 pages of the acquis communautaire; environmental, sanitation, and labour rules will render the private sector, such as it is in this benighted place, all but dysfunctional and insolvent; brain drain will likely reach epic proportions. Macedonia is not ready for EU accession. For the time being, it is better off as it is.

In the long-term, accession will bring with it sizable benefits in the transfer of technological knowledge and management skills and in encouraging foreign direct investment. But these welcome side-effects and by-products of EU membership depend crucially on an all-pervading internal transformation. Macedonians lack the skills, the knowledge, the emotional maturity, and the cultural background to have a state of their own, let alone a democracy. They have yet to develop a sense of being part of a cohesive collective. Their rampant individualism is malignant and they all perceive the state and any form of authority as potential and actual enemies.

So, why are Macedonians so keen on joining the EU?

Some of them hope to turn a quick profit as asset prices (shares, real-estate) react to the good news. Others can’t wait to abandon ship and join the throngs of economic immigrants from Bulgaria and Poland. Not one Macedonian I have met realizes the full implications of EU accession and not one of them gives a fig. They all perceive the EU as a “get-rich-quick” scheme.

A very reasonable article from Vaknin indeed.
I dispute one item:

Macedonians lack the skills, the knowledge, the emotional maturity, and the cultural background to have a state of their own, let alone a democracy. They have yet to develop a sense of being part of a cohesive collective. Their rampant individualism is malignant and they all perceive the state and any form of authority as potential and actual enemies.

What kind of "cultural background" deserves a state of its own? This is an absurd observation. The rest I probably agree with.

[George S.]

the greeks are hoping the macedonians sell their soul or name for the eu dollar.

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

A very reasonable article from Vaknin indeed.
I dispute one item:

What kind of "cultural background" deserves a state of its own? This is an absurd observation. The rest I probably agree with.

IMO, he has a point and if we had normal attributes of a MATURE NATION, which countless foreign ideological forces and their DOMESTIC VASSALS have worked hard to undermine and destroy via all the means available of state, religious, educational, cultural and media institutions and instruments, Macedonia and Macedonians would NOT find themselves in the political quagmire they are in. What MATURE NATION would allow a "Ramkoven dogovor" (2001 FA), amongst all the other capitualtions, to be a reward for armed terrorist action by, in the main, external TERRORISTS and their internal treasonous accomplices? Instead of applying the law of sedition to these enemies of the State and Macedonian Nation, we have them firmly established in all the institutions of the sate and in complete charge of between 25-33% of Macedonia (Republic of).


I think the following are good points, especially the first one:

1. Macedonia currently enjoys all the benefits of EU membership without incurring any of its costs: it has free trade, visa-free travel, and access to regional development funds and EU tenders. The costs of accession are bound to be crippling: Macedonia’s sheltered and inefficient industries will crumble in the face of European competition; its judiciary and legislature will be buried under the 84,000 pages of the acquis communautaire; environmental, sanitation, and labour rules will render the private sector, such as it is in this benighted place, all but dysfunctional and insolvent; brain drain will likely reach epic proportions. Macedonia is not ready for EU accession. For the time being, it is better off as it is.



2. So, why are Macedonians so keen on joining the EU?

Some of them hope to turn a quick profit as asset prices (shares, real-estate) react to the good news. Others can’t wait to abandon ship and join the throngs of economic immigrants from Bulgaria and Poland. Not one Macedonian I have met realizes the full implications of EU accession and not one of them gives a fig. They all perceive the EU as a “get-rich-quick” scheme.

[sf.]

This is the second time you've posted this sort of thing. Since these type of things are not unusual in Macedonia, do you have a purpose for these postings? Do you have any significant comment to make?

[fyrOM]

Maybe items which crop up at intervals could have one thread each and updated accordingly as time goes by without proliferating the forum for the sake of neatness. I have tried to do this with a number of threads and people seem to use them.

Minor topics like this need not be bad in themselves as I find them usefull to keep up-to-date when I may not have had time to read online newspapers and as such the MTO has rapidly become my first port of call. As a mini online community with a shared interest we can each keep the MTO abrest of developments but like all information if unstructured becomes unwieldily.