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Old 01-30-2019, 04:01 AM   #5841
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This is so funny. Sad, but funny.

NMKers get so upset if diaspora Macedonians dare have an opinion on their country but happily accept this type of garbage from within.
That’s farking gold!

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Old 01-30-2019, 06:56 AM   #5842
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I have always believed that the shiptari have been used by the US as a destabilising force, or the wedge between Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro on one side and Russia (Russian influence in the Balkans) on the other side...Montenegro and Macedonia (seemingly, until full NATO membership) have fallen...the last piece of the puzzle is Serbia and I'd say they're fucked as well...once that has been achieved and all are squarely tucked away into the US sphere of influence, what role have the shiptari to play, what's their point of difference, what value do they offer the US...their single meaningful attribute (to the US) is as willing dogs of war...but with only compliant nations to contend with and no prospect of war on the Balkan peninsula, the shiptari all of a sudden have no worth or value...only then will they be able to be put into their place...
Good to see these views are not limited to just Macedonians on this forum Phoenix. Former Austrian Ambassador to Macedonia, Harald Kochi, shares our opinions as well it seems. He articulated these views in the "Vienna newspaper" late last year which is really interesting I thought, coming as it does from a western diplomat.

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Former Austrian diplomat: US & NATO are helping Greece erase their annexation of Aegean Macedonia

First Ambassador of Austria in the Republic of Macedonia, Harald Kochi wrote an op (short for opinion piece??) ed (??) in the famous “Vienna newspaper” regarding the so called Prespa Agreement and what it means for the historical truth about Macedonia 105 years ago.

According to the Austrian diplomat, the US and their military alliance NATO have an interest in “occupying” Macedonia under the pretenses of false Russian influence.

The surprise on September 30th was great. In the Balkan correspondents and embassies in Skopje, the Brussels elite came to support their government, which was installed by force through a “regime change” by the EU and the United States and supported vigorously in the Soros financed media.

The United States and NATO urgently need to possess Macedonia as a place to round off Russia in order to overcome the “Eurasian chessboard”. – emphasizes Kochi.

Kochi also believes that the Prespa Agreement is a classical cultural genocide of one nation.

The term “Macedonian”, as a term for a self-existing population, along with its language and culture, developed in this area from the great migration of nations, will thus be wiped out. Many call this a cultural genocide. And that’s precisely what it is. – writes Kochi.

The first Austrian ambassador, a longtime friend of Macedonia, also refers to the history and the erasing of the Macedonian identity.

This redefinition of Macedonian identity, history, language and culture is the true goal of Greece, with this outside of Northern Macedonia there will be no Macedonian population, no Macedonian history, language and culture.

In this way, once and for all, the truth about the brutal Greek annexation of Aegean Macedonia in 1913 will be sealed with its non-Greek majority population (Macedonians, Turks, Bulgarians) continuing to have their human rights violatied. Aegean Macedonia underwent a brutal “hellenisation” when the Greeks from Asia Minor in 1923 settled on the basis of the Treaty of Lausanne while all Macedonian toponyms on the territory were changed – the former Austrian diplomat writes.
The same guy, who is a political analyst these days, has expressed further opinions about the situation in Macedonia, this time on a TV program called "The People's Voice with Slobodan Tomich" and with regard to the real percentage of Albanians in Macedonia.

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...Today we know from documentation held by the social services and leaked information from the issuing of personal documentation that the real number of Albanians in Macedonia is around 15%.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:03 AM   #5843
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With Name Change Out Of The Way, Macedonia Looks To Start EU Talks Soon

Macedonia says it is ready to accelerate accession talks to join the European Union after agreeing with Greece on a name change to end a decades-long dispute.

Speaking in Vienna on January 30 after meeting with Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, Prime Minister Zoran Zaev told reporters that Macedonia should soon be able to show "progress in the area of the rule of law and starting judicial reforms," as well as the fight against corruption and organized crime.

"We hope that by June we will have presented strong arguments to the European Council for getting a date for opening accession negotiations," Zaev said.

"We believe in European values, more so than some people in member states," Zaev added.

Greek lawmakers on January 25 narrowly approved the historic deal, which had already been ratified by Macedonia's parliament.

Under the agreement, signed last year by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras and Zaev, Macedonia will change its name to the Republic of North Macedonia.

For almost three decades, Athens had opposed the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) joining the EU and NATO, arguing that the country's name implied territorial ambitions on Greece's own northern province of the same name.

'Firm Determination'

Kurz, who has pushed for the bloc to accept members from the former Yugoslavia, noted that the Balkans were a vital part of Europe, and therefore should be for the EU as well.

"Austria will continue to stand alongside Macedonia and other Western Balkan countries. We want to support this region. We want, first of all, this region to become a part of the European Union, because the European Union will be comprehensive in geographical terms only after all Western Balkan states will become its members," Kurz said.

"This depends on conditions that must be fulfilled and progress that must be made, but I see firm determination [from Macedonia]," Kurz added.

The European Union presidency, currently held by Romania, said after a meeting between Macedonian and Romanian diplomats in Bucharest on January 28 that it also supported Macedonia's membership bid.

Romanian European Affairs Minister George Ciamba said that he wants Macedonia to open negotiations with the bloc in June at a meeting of EU ministers.

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Old 01-31-2019, 02:59 AM   #5844
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Welcome to Northern Macedonia? Or is it North Macedonia?
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:52 PM   #5845
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Government justifies Zaev for not yet using name ‘North Macedonia’

Zaev said that he negotiated with Greece without the ethnic identity of Macedonians who speak Macedonian and have their own tradition and history being disputed.

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Prime Minister Zoran Zaev’s frequent references to his country as Macedonia instead of North Macedonia, as provided in the recently approved Prespa Agreement, has stirred concern among the many critics of the agreement in Greece.

“With the Prespa Agreement, Greece accepted the right of self-identification and that no one any longer can deny our right to be Macedonians who speak the Macedonian language in this land,” Zaev said in an interview with a Bosnian television station.

That and other similar comments by Zaev have fueled criticism that the agreement permits Skopje to interpret it as it sees fit.

Macedonian language, ethnicity issue

Zaev said that he negotiated with Greece without the ethnic identity of Macedonians who speak Macedonian and have their own tradition and history being disputed. He said he was proud that he leads a country “for which our forbears fought and no one can deny that”.

In the note verbale it sent to Athens after amending its Constitution, Skopje said that the constitutional amendments passed by parliament – which include the country’s new name – will come into effect only after the Greek Parliament ratifies the protocol approving the country’s admission to Nato as Republic of North Macedonia.

Greek government spokesman Dimitris Tzanakopoulos stated that formally Zaev is for the time being within his rights in calling his country plain Macedonia.

US, EU support crucial

The Nato Protocol will be approved by the Greek Parliament in the next few days. The German Bundestag yesterday became the first legislature of a Nato member-state to ratify the protocol.

Zaev stressed that the Prespa Agreement was the result of persistent efforts by both countries with great support from the US and the EU.

He attributed Russia’s vehement opposition to the agreement to the fact that Moscow does not want his country to become a Nato member.

“We want a good relationship with Russia. We understand its stance, but above all is the fact that 80 percent of Macedonians want the country to become a member of Nato and that must be respected,” he said.

Athens expects ‘good will’ from Zaev

“Formally, Zoran Zaev has the right to use the name Macedonia and not North Macedonia,” the Greek government spokesman told journalists.

A large segment of the Greek press views the continued use of plain Macedonia as evidence that Skopje is liable to purposely misinterpret the terms of the Prespa Accord.

Tzanakopoulos said he is absolutely convinced that Zaev “will exhibit good will as he has in the past”.

He underlined that this is a transitional period. “Day by day everyone in Greece and mainly in North Macedonia will comply with the provisions of the Prespa Agreement and what it mandates.”
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:24 PM   #5846
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:47 PM   #5847
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It’s so funny to hear from the greeks that they expect “good will” from the Macedonian side in honouring the agreement...lol

Zaev is a proven compulsive liar...surely a leopard doesn’t change its spots?
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It’s so funny to hear from the greeks that they expect “good will” from the Macedonian side in honouring the agreement...lol
They don't need goodwill from Macedonia. They have Macedonia bent over and tied up. All they have to do now is decide whether they want to rape Macedonia for enjoyment or punishment or both.
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Old 01-31-2019, 11:04 PM   #5849
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Wasn't he calling Macedonia "this land"?

I don't know if Zaev read the agreement before he signed it, but he is now a "Macedonian/Citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia". The words following the slash are not optional, they are integral to the name of the people.

Conversely, if he thinks he's some sort of genius and all he did was negotiate the 'nationality/citizenship' of the state and not the ethnicity of the people, then he's in for a rude shock. The agreement is broad and vague enough to incorporate both. Our own identity is built on the premise that our nationality/citizenship and ethnicity are one and the same. Greece will insist on the term "Macedonian/Citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia" and the EU will enforce it.

Another tactical failure in the so-called "great game" being "played" by our "eminent statesmen". In reality, Timmy just lost another marble and he's got snot running down his nose.
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I don't think Zaev is naive or ignorant about what the prespa agreement demands of him and Macedonia. I think a a good portion of the Macedonian people are naive and ignorant. Because of that he has to play a balancing act for as long as he can. He can't do it forever. At some point he will have to stop saying Macedonia and people will notice.

I actually have hope. This whole circus doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell of being successfully implemented and maintained. It's too broad and overreaching. Even our pathetic lot will eventually realize that. Nothing like this has ever been attempted, do we really believe Macedonians and Greeks of all people can accomplish this?

This is the honeymoon period, where both parties keep patting themselves on the back. When the reality of it all sets in they will be back to square one in no time.

The only question for me is what happens when it all unravels.
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