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  • Vangelovski
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 8531

    For the first time, someone with direct knowledge of casualties has spoken up.

    Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed during an interview with Russian political strategist Konstantin Dolgov on May 23 that Wagner lost 10,000 convict recruits and 10,000 full-time professional Wagner fighters killed in action over the course of the Battle for Bakhmut.[1]
    Discussions regarding reported Russian losses in Bakhmut have saturated the pro-war information space and are drowning out any remaining positive informational effect resulting from the city’s capture. Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed d
    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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    • Risto the Great
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 15658

      I can see motivation for Wagner money people using casualties as an excuse to justify more payment for future campaigns. Similar stuff is on CNN. I doubt we'll ever know the true statistics on both sides.
      Risto the Great
      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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      • Carlin
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3332



        According to polisci scholar John Mearsheimer: “The Russians are going to win the war. They’re not going to win a decisive victory, but they’re going to end up conquering a huge chunk of Ukrainian territory beyond what they already have.”

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        • Carlin
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 3332

          Adolf Heusinger:

          1944: Hitler's Chief of Staff
          1961: Chairman of NATO

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          • Vangelovski
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 8531

            Originally posted by Carlin View Post
            Adolf Heusinger:

            1944: Hitler's Chief of Staff
            1961: Chairman of NATO

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger
            Is the insinuation that NATO is a nazi organisation? If so, does this make Russia a nazi state?
            If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

            The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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            • Risto the Great
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 15658

              I'd say your Russian example is similar to operation paperclip. But ruling organisations that are supposed to support the free world isn't anything the Russians allowed. They aren't that stupid or hypocritical.
              Risto the Great
              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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              • Karposh
                Member
                • Aug 2015
                • 863

                The latest US politician to visit Kiev, Republican Senator, Lindsey Graham, has infuriated Moscow with his disgraceful comments during a meeting with Zelensky recently. While expressing his support for Ukraine's resistance, he can be heard congratulating himself on behalf of the US for supplying Ukraine with NATO weapons. "And the Russians are dying. Best money we've ever spent," Graham can be heard saying before proceeding to shake hands with an approving Zelensky as they both smirk over what has just been stated. The optics paint an ugly picture indeed. He tried to explain away the comments by saying he was taken out of context. If there is another context which excuses taking pleasure in wishing the death of fellow human beings, I'd like to see it. Trump said it best in a recent Town Hall meeting (that was hosted by CNN of all networks) when he said that it was a tragedy that many young men are being killed on both sides, Russian and Ukrainian.

                The demonisation of the Russian people by the western media and western governments is a disgrace.
                Last edited by Karposh; 06-01-2023, 12:54 AM.

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                • Phoenix
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 4671

                  Originally posted by Karposh View Post
                  The latest US politician to visit Kiev, Republican Senator, Lindsey Graham, has infuriated Moscow with his disgraceful comments during a meeting with Zelensky recently. While expressing his support for Ukraine's resistance, he can be heard congratulating himself on behalf of the US for supplying Ukraine with NATO weapons. "And the Russians are dying. Best money we've ever spent," Graham can be heard saying before proceeding to shake hands with an approving Zelensky as they both smirk over what has just been stated. The optics paint an ugly picture indeed. He tried to explain away the comments by saying he was taken out of context. If there is another context which excuses taking pleasure in wishing the death of fellow human beings, I'd like to see it. Trump said it best in a recent Town Hall meeting (that was hosted by CNN of all networks) when he said that it was a tragedy that many young men are being killed on both sides, Russian and Ukrainian.

                  The demonisation of the Russian people by the western media and western governments is a disgrace.
                  Idiot politicians like Graham and media clowns like Sean Hannity are destroying the conservative movement in the US.
                  The Republicans have too many of those types in the party to clearly make a point of difference from the lunatics on the Left.

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                  • Vangelovski
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 8531

                    Seems like the counter-offensive is beginning. But the more interesting story might be Russia's inability to stop two small paramilitary groups from causing havoc inside its own territory.

                    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                    • Carlin
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 3332

                      Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                      Seems like the counter-offensive is beginning. But the more interesting story might be Russia's inability to stop two small paramilitary groups from causing havoc inside its own territory.

                      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.alj...-inside-russia
                      It's going rather well. The Nova Kakhovka dam has been blasted:



                      Last edited by Carlin; 06-06-2023, 11:54 AM.

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                      • Carlin
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 3332

                        There is a large battle underway along the contact line south of Orikhiv. This is not a probe, it is not reconnaissance in force - the AFU is attacking in force attempting to breach towards Tokmak. HIMARs is active on the Ukrainian side. Russian air assets are airborne.

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                        • Carlin
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 3332

                          Originally posted by Carlin View Post
                          There is a large battle underway along the contact line south of Orikhiv. This is not a probe, it is not reconnaissance in force - the AFU is attacking in force attempting to breach towards Tokmak. HIMARs is active on the Ukrainian side. Russian air assets are airborne.

                          https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/sta...DQ6fvv76AuAAAA
                          Same twitter channel:

                          "Overnight, the AFU assaulted Russian defenses south of Orikhiv with a large mechanized package including about 150 armored vehicles. There are no breaches, the Russian defense is fully intact, and AFU losses are substantial. Ukraine continues to pull forces in to attack."

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                          • Carlin
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3332

                            The Ukrainians are apparently determined to continue feeding their men and NATO's armor into this new Zaporozhye meat-grinder. And, as widely predicted by many, neither the German Leopard 2A6 nor the American M2 Bradleys are a match for Russian firepower. This is a massacre.

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                            • Vangelovski
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 8531

                              Early reports of the first liberated village of this counter-offensive. Still unconfirmed geolocated images in Blagodatne, south of Velika Novosilka.



                              And the video footage.



                              Reports that fighting has moved further south over a 20km front.

                              Edit: Neskuchne and Novodonets'ke had already been liberated before Blagodatne, making it the third village.
                              Last edited by Vangelovski; 06-11-2023, 06:31 AM.
                              If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                              The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                              • Vangelovski
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 8531

                                As expected, the Ukrainians are moving fast. Still to be confirmed but a few more towns have been added to the list.



                                Compare this to Russia's "achievement" of four towns in total over its four month winter offensive that included Bakhmut. Which they had been trying to capture since February last year.
                                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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