Population of Macedonia and Adjacent Areas

[Moon Tiki]

Originally Posted by Onur

Greeks stole western Thrace just like that from Turkey. Half of Thrace has been awarded to them by great powers even tough Greeks wasn't more than 10% in there. Also 90% of the western Thrace was the property of local Turkish people in 1920s. Actually not only Thrace, you know, half of Anatolia has been awarded to them but we were able to kick them out from here but we couldn't from western Thrace.

Now, that hurt my Thracian roots and my great-grandfather’s efforts; he was a statesman and Patriarch’s exarch (special envoy) in Komotini at late 1800s... I still haven't found what he stated... exactly.
Look at the map. The final outcome doesn't seem very weird.

[julie]

Moon Tiki explain your comment The final outcome doesn't seem very weird.

[TrueMacedonian]

Map is pretty inaccurate in some points.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Moon Tiki, did you know that anyone can make a map like that and say it's evidence? the people that make those maps have their own point of view, there's no facts in them unless it's legit(unlikely).

That map doesn't show any statistics, so why do you believe in it?

[Moon Tiki]

I wasn't making a point based on a specific map. Here are some more; skip the differences and focus on the common parts.
Also, this time it was about Thrace. I somehow sense you're looking at Macedonia.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

But these are nonsense maps, they show no real statistics of real censuses where people lived. So why did you post it in the first place?

[Onur]

Populations displayed in eastern Thrace is quite wrong. There are overly exaggerated Greek population in there. In reality, Greeks was so few, not more than 10%. There should be more Bulgarians in both eastern and western Thrace. Also there should be more Turks in Bulgaria, just outside of Thrace. And Salonika has been shown as fully Greek!!! that`s B.S.

It`s also quite funny to see that both German and French ethnography maps puts Hungarians in same category with Turks under the branch "Turanische Ougro-Tatars". Actually this was quite a norm `till WW-2 but this is not politically correct anymore since Hungarians considered as Europeans atm.

[TrueMacedonian]

[Pelister]

It might be useful to document every occasion that a proper census of the Macedonian demographic, was turned down or rejected; and to inform readers as to why the results for Macedonian territory for the Greek census of 1920, were destroyed.

[TrueMacedonian]

I found a website which provides an outline of Albania and describes in short its population, economy, peoples, and neighboring countries they inhabit. I do not agree with everything in this website. However for the sake of this topic here is something I did find quite interesting;

http://www.everyculture.com/A-Bo/Albania.html

History and Ethnic Relations

Emergence of the Nation. Albanians are a native Balkan people, although their exact origin is unclear. The national ideology insists on an unequivocal ethnic relationship with the ancient Illyrians. As little is known about the Illyrians and there are no historical records referring to the existence of the Albanian people during the first millennium C . E ., it is difficult to affirm or deny the relationship. Albanians entered postclassical recorded history in the second half of the eleventh century, and only in this age can one speak with any degree of certainty about the Albanian people as they are known today. In his History written in 1079–1080, the Byzantine historian Michael Attaleiates was the first to refer to the Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and to the Arbanitai as subjects of the duke of Dyrrachium. Similarly, the historian John Scylitzes refers (ca. 1081) to the Arbanites as forming part of the troops assembled in Durrës by Nicephorus Basilacius. It can be assumed that the Albanians began expanding from their mountain homeland in the eleventh and twelfth centuries, initially taking possession of the northern and central coastline and by the thirteenth century spreading southward toward what are now southern Albania and western Macedonia. In the middle of the fourteenth century, they migrated farther south into Greece, initially into Epirus, Thessaly (1320), Acarnania, and Aetolia. By the middle of the fifteenth century, which marks the end of this process of colonization, the Albanians had settled in over half of Greece in such great numbers that in many regions they constituted the majority of the population. Despite these extensive settlements, the Albanians, largely a herding and nomadic people, do not seem to have created any substantial urban centers. There were no noticeable Albanian communities in the cities of the Albanian coast during the Middle Ages. Durrës was inhabited by the Venetians, Greeks, Jews, and Slavs; Shkodra, by the Venetians and Slavs; and Vlorë, by the Byzantine Greeks. It is estimated that a considerable proportion of Albanians were assimilated by the time of the Turkish invasion; in other words, the Albanians had been largely marginalized in their own country. Only during the Ottoman period did they began to settle in towns and acquire some of the characteristics of a nation rather than those of nomadic tribes.