Macedonian and Albanian cooperation - Page 2

Liberator of Makedonija · 10-21-2018, 10:44 AM

The Albanian-Macedonian Revolutionary League was formed in 1887, with Isaija Mažovski as a member.

Carlin · 07-11-2020, 07:44 AM

There appears to be a documentary on this topic.

Here is part 1, THE COOPERATION OF MACEDONIANS AND ALBANIANS FROM 1850 TO 1940:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJa9ECGqHvM

And here is part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5NEFHgUSw

It's in Macedonian, no English subtitles. I just came across this so I haven't had the opportunity to watch it yet.

Liberator of Makedonija · 07-12-2020, 12:31 AM

Good find Carlin

Soldier of Macedon · 07-12-2020, 02:37 AM

This is an interesting topic, but I wouldn't expect to find too many meaningful examples, because even if there were some Albanians who (opportunistically or otherwise) collaborated with Macedonian freedom-fighters during the late Ottoman era, they are but an anecdote when compared to the thousands of Albanian Muslims who supported the Ottoman oppression of Macedonian Christians. While they were able to maintain their privileged positions over the tormented Macedonian villages, they were happy to see the perpetuation of that horrific system. When they saw the Ottoman Empire start to crumble, some of them began to act against the Porte, but many of them remained faithful to the centuries-old occupation until the end.

Karposh · 07-13-2020, 05:59 AM

Whatever token gestures there may have been on their part, they pale in comparison to what their kin, the opportunistic Bashibazouk, did to Macedonian non-combatants, after the Turkish army had just destroyed a Christian village or town.

Liberator of Makedonija · 10-14-2020, 11:29 PM

Just prior to the First Balkan War, members of the VMRO Central Committee travelled to Cetinje, Montenegro to meet with Albanian revolutionaries and discuss collaboration. During the wars the Central Committee adopted a resolution to establish contact with "the Albanian and Turkish revolutionary committees for joint action against the Serbs and Greeks". It was these contacts that drew Albanian support to the Ohrid-Debar Uprising.

Liberator of Makedonija · 12-04-2020, 05:16 AM

Tirana, 20 December 1921: The 'Tirana Protocol'

A meeting held in Tirana was attended by Aleksandar Protogerov of VMRO(A), Dr. Filip Atanasov of the Macedonian Federal Revolutionary Organisation and two representatives of the Albanian Revolutionary Committee: Rexhep Mitrovica and Professor Bedri Pejani. Some of the agreements that were reached:

. To work for the liberation of Macedonia and its establishment as an independent state, organised adminstratively in the same vein as Switzerland (as a federal republic)
. Macedonia's northern border would be extended just north of Kačanik in Kosovo
. Macedonia's western border would remain the same [excluding Mala Prespa, Golo Brdo & Gora] and the right to self-determination would be granted to the city of Debar
. Joint assistance in crossing the border into Aegean Macedonia
. The creation of a base in Albania to coordinate with already established bases in Bulgaria to launch joint incursions into Vardar Macedonia

The protocol was signed with the goal of "commencing joint revolutionary activity in western Macedonia" and "establishing Macedonia as an autonomous and independent state"

[All taken from Zoran Todorovski's biography on Todor Aleksandrov]

Liberator of Makedonija · 12-10-2020, 03:32 AM

In a letter addressed to the Bitola Revolutionary Region by Todor Aleksandrov from 15th May 1922, he asks Macedonian komiti to collaborate with Albanian komiti and to establish relations with the "Albanian committee"

Liberator of Makedonija · 01-13-2021, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

The Central National Committee for the Autonomy of Macedonia and Albania was said to have been formed in London and involved Dimitrija Čupovski.

According to the website "Virtual Macedonia", this committee developed from the "Macedonian Brotherhood" in Athens in 1893

Carlin · 05-23-2021, 07:52 PM

Not much cooperation here

URL:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...strated%3Dtrue

The British colonial Press of 1903 - Reporter regarded massacre of Jews (pogrom) in Tsarist Russia on par with Albanian atrocities against Macedonians.

The World's News (Sydney, Australia) Saturday 4 July 1903, page 21.

"Kishineff looks like a city that had been invaded by a furious enemy. The houses half destroyed, people with bandaged heads, with broken arms & legs-does all this not remind one of a Macedonian settlement or a Slavonic town, invaded by Albanians or Bashi-Bazouks?"

10-21-2018, 10:44 AM	#11
Liberator of Makedonija Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 1,594	The Albanian-Macedonian Revolutionary League was formed in 1887, with Isaija Mažovski as a member. __________________ I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

07-11-2020, 07:44 AM	#12
Carlin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 3,307	There appears to be a documentary on this topic. Here is part 1, THE COOPERATION OF MACEDONIANS AND ALBANIANS FROM 1850 TO 1940: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJa9ECGqHvM And here is part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5NEFHgUSw It's in Macedonian, no English subtitles. I just came across this so I haven't had the opportunity to watch it yet. Last edited by Carlin; 07-11-2020 at 07:50 AM.

07-12-2020, 12:31 AM	#13
Liberator of Makedonija Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 1,594	Good find Carlin __________________ I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

07-12-2020, 02:37 AM	#14
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	This is an interesting topic, but I wouldn't expect to find too many meaningful examples, because even if there were some Albanians who (opportunistically or otherwise) collaborated with Macedonian freedom-fighters during the late Ottoman era, they are but an anecdote when compared to the thousands of Albanian Muslims who supported the Ottoman oppression of Macedonian Christians. While they were able to maintain their privileged positions over the tormented Macedonian villages, they were happy to see the perpetuation of that horrific system. When they saw the Ottoman Empire start to crumble, some of them began to act against the Porte, but many of them remained faithful to the centuries-old occupation until the end. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

10-14-2020, 11:29 PM	#16
Liberator of Makedonija Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 1,594	Just prior to the First Balkan War, members of the VMRO Central Committee travelled to Cetinje, Montenegro to meet with Albanian revolutionaries and discuss collaboration. During the wars the Central Committee adopted a resolution to establish contact with "the Albanian and Turkish revolutionary committees for joint action against the Serbs and Greeks". It was these contacts that drew Albanian support to the Ohrid-Debar Uprising. __________________ I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

07-13-2020, 05:59 AM	#15
Karposh Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 861	Whatever token gestures there may have been on their part, they pale in comparison to what their kin, the opportunistic Bashibazouk, did to Macedonian non-combatants, after the Turkish army had just destroyed a Christian village or town.

12-04-2020, 05:16 AM	#17
Liberator of Makedonija Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 1,594	Tirana, 20 December 1921: The 'Tirana Protocol' A meeting held in Tirana was attended by Aleksandar Protogerov of VMRO(A), Dr. Filip Atanasov of the Macedonian Federal Revolutionary Organisation and two representatives of the Albanian Revolutionary Committee: Rexhep Mitrovica and Professor Bedri Pejani. Some of the agreements that were reached: . To work for the liberation of Macedonia and its establishment as an independent state, organised adminstratively in the same vein as Switzerland (as a federal republic) . Macedonia's northern border would be extended just north of Kačanik in Kosovo . Macedonia's western border would remain the same [excluding Mala Prespa, Golo Brdo & Gora] and the right to self-determination would be granted to the city of Debar . Joint assistance in crossing the border into Aegean Macedonia . The creation of a base in Albania to coordinate with already established bases in Bulgaria to launch joint incursions into Vardar Macedonia The protocol was signed with the goal of "commencing joint revolutionary activity in western Macedonia" and "establishing Macedonia as an autonomous and independent state" [All taken from Zoran Todorovski's biography on Todor Aleksandrov] __________________ I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

12-10-2020, 03:32 AM	#18
Liberator of Makedonija Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 1,594	In a letter addressed to the Bitola Revolutionary Region by Todor Aleksandrov from 15th May 1922, he asks Macedonian komiti to collaborate with Albanian komiti and to establish relations with the "Albanian committee" __________________ I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

05-23-2021, 07:52 PM	#20
Carlin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 3,307	Not much cooperation here URL: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...strated%3Dtrue The British colonial Press of 1903 - Reporter regarded massacre of Jews (pogrom) in Tsarist Russia on par with Albanian atrocities against Macedonians. The World's News (Sydney, Australia) Saturday 4 July 1903, page 21. "Kishineff looks like a city that had been invaded by a furious enemy. The houses half destroyed, people with bandaged heads, with broken arms & legs-does all this not remind one of a Macedonian settlement or a Slavonic town, invaded by Albanians or Bashi-Bazouks?"

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