United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 13

Vangelovski · 04-20-2009, 02:09 AM

I'm glad that Rogi has come out publically on these issues, regardless of how unpopular such an action may be - I certainly understand the outcry he will recieve from UMD's blind followers. I commend him for it.

These are issues of national importance, and he cannot struggle with UMD alone. Keeping UMD's questionable actions and policies under wraps only serves to help the anti-Macedonian cause. Rogi needs our support with this.

Pelister · 04-21-2009, 02:05 AM

UMD is anti-Macedonian.

Meto's public statements, should have alerted people to this fact a long time ago.

They can sugar coat it all they want, fundamentally, they are anti-Macedonian - just a little more sophisticated than MPO, who sucked in alot of Macedonians, in the last century, only to be exposed for their Bulgarian agenda. The point here is this; Macedonians are not going to support an organization that is working against the interests of their country, their history and culture - so UMD has had to appear to be with us - but the cracks appeared very early on !

Jankovska · 04-21-2009, 11:37 AM

I am very disappointed to see this. No reason is good enough for that woman to be invited on a Macedonian event. People like Sekerinska will exist until people like UMD exist, people who make them look important. Disappointing

Vangelovski · 04-21-2009, 06:08 PM

Jankovska, I'm glad you're finally seeing the cracks in UMD's perfect facade

Risto the Great · 04-21-2009, 06:52 PM

I cannot believe that clear simple answers and actions are not taking place in relation to the UMD. Unless the UMD are collectively hoping to stage a walk-out as soon as she gets to the podium, which would be appropriate, I see no point in offending the Diaspora in this fashion.

Jankovska · 04-22-2009, 03:20 AM

I have nothing bad to say abotu the UMD, always praised them but I am not happy with the decission. I don't care what she is heading, she should not be made feel that comfortable. I am against her, Branko and everything those crooks stand for.

Vangelovski · 04-22-2009, 08:20 AM

I suspect if you look a little closer, you'll notice that UMD and SDSM are two sides of the same coin.

Volk · 04-22-2009, 11:11 AM

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I suspect if you look a little closer, you'll notice that UMD and SDSM are two sides of the same coin.

In what way? One has called for a name change whilst the other has not.

Your letting your personal vendetta cloud your judgment.

You may have personal issues with UMD, however they are the only major Macedonian diaspora in the world at the moment and they are doing our cause a great good.

If it where to you they would not exist, now who would benefit from that?

Risto the Great · 04-22-2009, 05:54 PM

Volk, the UMD gives me the impression that they are a very "politically correct" and that they do not want to offend anybody .... especially non Macedonians. Can you honestly tell me that the Diaspora (as opposed to the UMD) thinks in this fashion? Do we really need a "non-toxic" organisation that stands for little. Can you see a militant group springing from such a wishy washy perspective? Whilst I am not advocating military groups, I am suggesting this is an organisation that does not inspire or represent the Macedonians of the Diaspora. Hence I question its purpose.

I have no personal reasons to suggest anything bad about them. But as a Macedonian, I have every reason to question why an organisation who purports to represent ME is comfortable affording respect to people who do not respect MY identity.

You have made it clear in this very thread that a name change for the purposes of NATO entry is acceptable to you. Can't you see the momentum such decisions can have? If you can't, you see the UMD as something that supports your ideology. But it does not appear to support mine. Remind me why I gave them money and told others to do it as well.

Venom · 04-22-2009, 06:31 PM

Vangelovski: I have never liked the UMD. For all the fuss they make I personally have never thought they have done anything outstanding regarding the Macedonians here in Australia or in Sydney at least.

But I would like to know, why you personally, have such a vendetta against them.

I don't know who you are nor your history with the organisation, but I would like to know, for the sake of this conversation.

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04-20-2009, 02:09 AM	#121
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	I'm glad that Rogi has come out publically on these issues, regardless of how unpopular such an action may be - I certainly understand the outcry he will recieve from UMD's blind followers. I commend him for it. These are issues of national importance, and he cannot struggle with UMD alone. Keeping UMD's questionable actions and policies under wraps only serves to help the anti-Macedonian cause. Rogi needs our support with this. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

04-21-2009, 06:08 PM	#124
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Jankovska, I'm glad you're finally seeing the cracks in UMD's perfect facade __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

04-21-2009, 06:52 PM	#125
Risto the Great Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia Posts: 15,640	I cannot believe that clear simple answers and actions are not taking place in relation to the UMD. Unless the UMD are collectively hoping to stage a walk-out as soon as she gets to the podium, which would be appropriate, I see no point in offending the Diaspora in this fashion. __________________ Risto the Great MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA "Holding my breath for the revolution." Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

04-22-2009, 08:20 AM	#127
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	I suspect if you look a little closer, you'll notice that UMD and SDSM are two sides of the same coin. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

04-21-2009, 02:05 AM	#122
Pelister Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,742	UMD is anti-Macedonian. Meto's public statements, should have alerted people to this fact a long time ago. They can sugar coat it all they want, fundamentally, they are anti-Macedonian - just a little more sophisticated than MPO, who sucked in alot of Macedonians, in the last century, only to be exposed for their Bulgarian agenda. The point here is this; Macedonians are not going to support an organization that is working against the interests of their country, their history and culture - so UMD has had to appear to be with us - but the cracks appeared very early on !

04-21-2009, 11:37 AM	#123
Jankovska Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,774	I am very disappointed to see this. No reason is good enough for that woman to be invited on a Macedonian event. People like Sekerinska will exist until people like UMD exist, people who make them look important. Disappointing

04-22-2009, 03:20 AM	#126
Jankovska Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,774	I have nothing bad to say abotu the UMD, always praised them but I am not happy with the decission. I don't care what she is heading, she should not be made feel that comfortable. I am against her, Branko and everything those crooks stand for.

04-22-2009, 05:54 PM	#129
Risto the Great Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia Posts: 15,640	Volk, the UMD gives me the impression that they are a very "politically correct" and that they do not want to offend anybody .... especially non Macedonians. Can you honestly tell me that the Diaspora (as opposed to the UMD) thinks in this fashion? Do we really need a "non-toxic" organisation that stands for little. Can you see a militant group springing from such a wishy washy perspective? Whilst I am not advocating military groups, I am suggesting this is an organisation that does not inspire or represent the Macedonians of the Diaspora. Hence I question its purpose. I have no personal reasons to suggest anything bad about them. But as a Macedonian, I have every reason to question why an organisation who purports to represent ME is comfortable affording respect to people who do not respect MY identity. You have made it clear in this very thread that a name change for the purposes of NATO entry is acceptable to you. Can't you see the momentum such decisions can have? If you can't, you see the UMD as something that supports your ideology. But it does not appear to support mine. Remind me why I gave them money and told others to do it as well. __________________ Risto the Great MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA "Holding my breath for the revolution." Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

04-22-2009, 06:31 PM	#130
Venom Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 445	Vangelovski: I have never liked the UMD. For all the fuss they make I personally have never thought they have done anything outstanding regarding the Macedonians here in Australia or in Sydney at least. But I would like to know, why you personally, have such a vendetta against them. I don't know who you are nor your history with the organisation, but I would like to know, for the sake of this conversation. __________________ S m r t - i l i - S l o b o d a

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