United Macedonia Diaspora

[Rogi]

I would still like to see the Macedonian Cause defined and that definition to be adopted by each and every Macedonian organisation to serve as their mission statement and basis for existence.

That helps eliminate the possibility of double-speak as all actions and statements can then be immediately weight up against the definition of the cause.
You can still be diplomatic and moderate, without causing inadvertent harm to our cause.

It is a very strong way to hold all Macedonian organisations accountable for their every word and every action.

I tried to write up a draft for one such definition, and hoped to get some feedback on how to perfect it. Unfortunately, there seems to be no such interest for that from any persons or organisations. At least not yet anyway - I think when more realise the importance and need for such a definition it will gain momentum.

[Volk]

Good point Rogi...


One question that is of massive national significance is the Aegean Macedonia question... Do we as a nation concede it? If not do we strategys to recover it over the long term?

We have no national blue print and this is the problem

Washing our hands of Aegean Macedonia means giving the greeks legitimacy over the name which would be catastrophic in a national sense that would effect our history and future.

Vo mnogu tesko mesto sme

[Vangelovski]

Volk,

I can understand why you support UMD so much, you yourself have said on this very thread that you would support a name other than the 'Republic of Macedonia' for the sake of NATO membership.

The evidence in relation to UMD's disastrous policy position is in their own public statements, which have been pointed out to you time and again, but you will continue to support such organisations because they actually represent your views.

I can provide much more information, but if you can't or won't understand what's being put out in public, why would you bother listening to the people who have been on the board for years. Though, you're inability to understand basic concepts does not surprise me - on Maknews you've quoted Ivanov effectively saying that the double-formula is not an option and then stated that he does not say what you yourself just quoted him saying.

[Volk]

Nemoj da seris mnogu, stanuva mnogu dosadno i pocnuva da smrdi.

[Risto the Great]

It would be a great time for the UMD to stand up for what it believes in.

[Vangelovski]

Волк,

Вие самите се серите со вашето охрабрување за оние што работат за исполнување на Предвремениот и Рамковиот Договор. Добро ги познавам "активистите" од вашиот тип.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

It would be a great time for the UMD to stand up for what it believes in.

UMD is standing up for what it believes in - the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement (and everything that goes with them). The problem is that a lot of people want UMD to believe in something else.

[Volk]

Tom,
I am not part of UMD so addressing me as such is pointless.

I refuse to enter a debate with you when you deliberately misinterpret and warp what I say.

Lastly you can calling for the abandonment of both the accords and agreements that have placed us in this situation and openly call people and organizations that do not share your view traitors.

However you cannot put forward a plan where this would be possible, countering both albanian and greek moves as well as IC pressure that would surely come. Without a a solid plan your calls are reckless as the only thing they do is instigate an albanian revolt, greek embargo and IC isolation all simultaneously (which is what you seem to call for). We have done this dance and you simply cannot answer the hard questions, you only have the ideas (which we all want but cannot find a means to get there)- until you provide the means the calls are close to futile.

[NikodimMKD]

Originally Posted by Volk

Tom,
I am not part of UMD so addressing me as such is pointless.

I refuse to enter a debate with you when you deliberately misinterpret and warp what I say.

Lastly you can calling for the abandonment of both the accords and agreements that have placed us in this situation and openly call people and organizations that do not share your view traitors.

However you cannot put forward a plan where this would be possible, countering both albanian and greek moves as well as IC pressure that would surely come. Without a a solid plan your calls are reckless as the only thing they do is instigate an albanian revolt, greek embargo and IC isolation all simultaneously (which is what you seem to call for). We have done this dance and you simply cannot answer the hard questions, you only have the ideas (which we all want but cannot find a means to get there)- until you provide the means the calls are close to futile.

Volk brings up some valid points. Any course of action should be carefully studied. We cannot just act in haste.

[Vangelovski]

Volk,

We have done this dance before and your scaremongering has been shown for what it is. An Albanian revolt? A Greek embargo? International isolation? Perhaps you would like to expand on your doomsday scenario? Oh thats right, once you do, you'll be shown for the fraud that you are. Please Volk, tell us exactly how the Macedonian people must submit - tell us exactly what will happen to us if we do not submit to idiotic whims so that I can expose you for who you are again, without Lubi here to delete the threads.

With freedom comes responsibility - if we as people can't handle that, then maybe we don't deserve our freedom.