United Macedonia Diaspora

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Rogi

Tom, please do share.

I'm yet to hear of any organisation in the Diaspora (or anywhere) other than the WMC having done anything proactive in terms of getting rid of the Framework Agreement. I know that just about every single organisation does oppose it, but nobody is actively working on that - as far as I know. I'm not saying there is none, I just haven't heard of anyone doing anything. I'd love to be wrong and I'd love to hear what has been done, in fact I'm sure most of us on this forum would and would offer our help in whatever way required.

As far as I am aware, even the organisation "Dostoinstvo" which I hold in the highest esteem, has still not made such calls for abolishment of the Framework Agreement. Though, personally I'm hoping that they lead the way on the ground for it.

Rogi,

You'll have to get the exact details off Aleksandrov, but MOCS in Sydney was lobbying against both the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement. I believe they also made considerable financial contributions to the WMC in this specific regard.

More importantly, many organisations, like MOCS and Alexander's Descendant's, actively educate Macedonians about the destructiveness of those agreements, unlike UMD which legitimises them and calls on our people to accept them as "reality".

[Volk]

uste eden prdez vo vozduh!

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Volk

uste eden prdez vo vozduh!

As oppossed to your "consistent" and "principled" stand, where you disapear as soon as someone shows you up for what you are?

You still havn't told us how we need to submit and what will happen to us if we do not submit.

For someone who calls themselves "Volk" and has a picture of military personnel as his avatar, you sure are a subservient fellow...

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Rogi

I can tell you that everyone behind UMD for example believes the Framework Agreement is treacherous.

However, UMD as an organisation has not declared to work against it nor to get rid of it, rather it has been accepted.

Rogi, based on your observation above, we can only then assume that the UMD feels it is the Diaspora that wants the Framework Agreement. Even though the leaders of UMD personally regard the Agreement as trecherous.

What you say about the UMD sentiment in relation to the Ohrid Agreement is quite probably true, but I find this attitude disturbing.

If a group of people has common beliefs and together form an organisation, surely their contributions and agenda will be questionable if they are unable to do something about what is of a major concern to all of them. In fact, the same thing can be said about Gruevski and Co. You know they are all for Macedonia etc. but do not want to be seen as crazy nationalists in the eyes of the world .... so they need to tone it down .... whilst they sell our country to the highest bidder in the back rooms.

[Vangelovski]

Rogi,

I disagree with your assessment that "everyone" behind UMD believes the Framework Agreement is treasonous - the majority of its Board members (not you) actually support it whole-heartedly and legitimise and celebrate it in their press releases, basing Macedonia's "success" as a multi-ethnic country on that very agreement.

[Bratot]

I have a question now, since you all put it perfectly in the text and your posts and you are aware about their wrong policy for the cause, than what are you gonna do about it?


Or...this will be only a forum blabing?

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Bratot

I have a question now, since you all put it perfectly in the text and your posts and you are aware about their wrong policy for the cause, than what are you gonna do about it?


Or...this will be only a forum blabing?

I believe that a Citizen has the option of taking certain individuals in the government to the high court, specifically in relation to those individuals negotiating to put restrictions on the use of the term "Macedonia". This clearly, violates every limitation and article of the Macedonian Constitution.

The leadership needs an exist strategy. It also needs to be informed about how it can improve its foreign relations, and be aware of the possibilities and options available to it in terms of securing recognition in various international organizations. Each organization requires a different strategy ...etc.

[Vangelovski]

Bratot,

People need to point out to the UMD leadership that their policies are a disaster and that they are damaging the cause - or at least the cause which seeks self-determination and human rights for the Macedonian people. UMD, has a different cause in mind.

I post on here in the hope that I will save at least one Macedonian from falling prey to ideas that damage the cause purported by morally and intellectually corrupt political careerists.

[Rogi]

This is where it goes back to my initial argument about the absolute necessity of defining the Macedonian cause.

[Bratot]

You have to place the critics loudly enough.

There should be a open challenge debate and to see who is who in all this case.

If you are not able to make a change inside UMD, maybe it's time to form another one.