United Macedonia Diaspora

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

According to Lubi, their latest Board Member has a strong family history of MPO membership. I suspect the Screwdriver is this same Board Member - Meto's newest footsoldier doing his dirty work.

Tom, George is not a board member (yet) but I think he's still a member of the MPO? If not, his cousin is ..

Larry Koroloff, Director

[stravdziger]

Originally Posted by Prolet

Shtrafciger, There is no need to call people in Greek names, if you want a proper discussions there is no need to irritate our people here. Keep in mind that our people from Egejska Makedonija have had it very tough, their houses were destroyed, their families kicked out i think you should show some respect here. If it wasnt for our people from Egejska Makedonija, we wouldnt have a Macedonian Community in Australia. These people fought against UDBA Agents,Greek Agents and so forth, if it wasnt for our people from Egejska Makedonija, we wouldnt have churches,community center in the 1950s and 60's.

Prolet, that's all well and good, but you're a day late and a dollar short, my friend. Yes, a proper discussion is severely lacking, that's the entire problem. So, if RTG and others want to get nasty, I can do that, too. And if they want to get civilized, I would welcome that. The problem is that, on this site, the moderators are some of the worst offenders, so the hypocrisy is incredible.

[julie]

Cheers MK , these people , I await , to welcome them, with my community in Adelaide. I cant wait for them to meet us all here.

UMD and MPO are ONE and the same organisation. Dirty, low life anti -Macedonian scum

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by julie

Cheers MK , these people , I await , to welcome them, with my community in Adelaide. I cant wait for them to meet us all here.

UMD and MPO are ONE and the same organisation. Dirty, low life anti -Macedonian scum

It's really boils down low self-esteem and a major case of paranoia - a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety or fear.

What exactly do they fear, exposure?

[julie]

their negative self- exposure has caused some irreversible damage MK, and MTO has been far too patient with their bullshit and alliance for name change and support of the framework agreement.
I am disgusted in their hellenisation of forum members names here, they call that open debate, yet they wont answer a single question.
What have they done for the Macedonian cause?
Oh , boat trips for their US compatriots,
Hey anyone that is a UMD member out there, look where your money is going, you are paying their way for their affluent life style. Have a big re-think about the transparency of an organisation, that does not provide financial s to members, and supports anti-Macedonian political parties and campaigns

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by julie

their negative self- exposure has caused some irreversible damage MK, and MTO has been far too patient with their bullshit and alliance for name change and support of the framework agreement.
I am disgusted in their hellenisation of forum members names here, they call that open debate, yet they wont answer a single question.
What have they done for the Macedonian cause?
Oh , boat trips for their US compatriots,
Hey anyone that is a UMD member out there, look where your money is going, you are paying their way for their affluent life style. Have a big re-think about the transparency of an organisation, that does not provide financial s to members, and supports anti-Macedonian political parties and campaigns

I'm more concerned about the "screw" because he's been fighting this battle alone for the most part on two fronts including his own backyard. I have been called a Greek spy and Grkoman by not only him but also other UMD board members in the past and I know who is saying what - flakes and trippers.

If I don't agree that makes me a Greek spy - wtf is that about?

Their (his) OWN WORDS have come back to BITE them "you have proven time and time again you can't be trusted" And you people at the UMD can? FU!

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Tom

The FACTS remain that UMD supported a name change and negotiations to effect it (and probably still do) and they continue to support those two treasonous agreements that have destroyed Macedonia as a free state. They have consistently demonstrated their support for these agreements by advocating in favour of their provisions and using them as justifications for their policies.

It would be a good idea to create a locked thread that lists the terms and conditions of these agreements, i.e., Interim Accord and Framework (as you have listed them Tom), if only to demonstrate to other Macedonians what exactly UMD has been supporting, but also for reference so Macedonians have an idea of what their leaders have in fact signed.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Pelister

It would be a good idea to create a locked thread that lists the terms and conditions of these agreements, i.e., Interim Accord and Framework (as you have listed them Tom), if only to demonstrate to other Macedonians what exactly UMD has been supporting, but also for reference so Macedonians have an idea of what their leaders have in fact signed.

I agree - Admins, is that possible - a run down of the Interim Accord and Framework Agreement for reference?

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Makedonska_Kafana

I'm more concerned about the "screw" because he's been fighting this battle alone for the most part on two fronts including his own backyard. I have been called a Greek spy and Grkoman by not only him but also other UMD board members in the past and I know who is saying what - flakes and trippers.

If I don't agree that makes me a Greek spy - wtf is that about?

Their (his) OWN WORDS have come back to BITE them "you have proven time and time again you can't be trusted" And you people at the UMD can? FU!

Its hard to know exactly who is who these days. Times have changed. UMD have driven a wedge and split our local communities at the grass roots level. They have recruited good Macedonians with 'key note' speeches that really amounted to clever PR - big on bullshit small in substance. Their 'big announcements' are 'I talked to the UN advisor for...', 'I had a meeting with the Macedonian President'. This just makes them dangerous, particularly when all the hard evidence points to one thing, UMD support for the Interim Accord, the Framework Agreement, and the negotiation process. Its taken them 5 years to change their rhetoric, only because some Macedonians had the courage to stand up to the lies of the few. I mean imagine a self appointed and self proclaimed individual telling people behind closed doors of our willingness to compromise, as though he was speaking for all Macedonians in the diaspora, rather than the several hundred members of that club? When the slick presentations, gala balls and dinners and 'meetings' fade away, all that is left is what they do. Imagine refusing to take action to stop the negotiations, after that bullshit 'Where as...' press release, as though UMD were re-affirming a position on the negotiations that they always had. It was not the case then, and it is not the case now. UMD are like the old MPO recruiting Macedonians to their 'cause' by lying about what they actually stand for.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Makedonska_Kafana

Tom, George is not a board member (yet) but I think he's still a member of the MPO? If not, his cousin is ..

Larry Koroloff, Director

My mistake - I wasn't referring to George. I was thinking of Goran Saveski. Unless Mark Branov (who lied and claimed he had no affiliation with UMD) has come back as the "Screwdriver".