United Macedonia Diaspora

[Prolet]

SOM, What do you think the Dayton Accord was?? The Croats lost alot actually they lost towns and villages to Serbs and Muslims in Bosnia, take Mostar for example which is the capital of Herzegovina they lost half of it (The Eastern Side) to the Muslims.

The Croatian Diaspora made Croatia what it is today thats reality, if it wasnt for the Croatian Diaspora the Serbs would have wiped out their country.

I only made the comparison with Croatia in terms of supporting an armed conflict for their motherland, how did we compare when we where attacked by the Albanian Terrorists in 2001?? How many people even went back to defend their country?? Not very many thats for sure.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, as I said before, your comparison is invalid.

During the 90's nearly the whole of Croatia was basically under attack, about half of Croatia was in the hands of Serbian forces, that was not the case in Macedonia. And now you're talking about Croats in Bosnia? Stick to one item at a time buddy, because I am sure if the Dayton Accord asked for the same rights to be given to Serbs in Croatia as that which is given to ethnic Albanians in Macedonia, the picture and reaction would be markedly different.

[Prolet]

SOM, Have you seen a Croatian Map from WW2?? It has all of Bosnia in it, you wont find a single Serb,Croat or Muslim happy with the Dayton Accord its no different to us.

Just for your info, 1/3 of Croatia and 2/3 of Bosnia where occupied by the Serbs.

Now i agree with you that the Croats where bombed from everywhere especially in Western Slavonija and especially in Vukovar where it was pretty much destroyed, we where very much threatened in in Kumanovo,Tetovo,Skopsko which are three big cities.

What about the Massacres in Karpalak and Vejce?? What about the Shootings at Tanushevci?? In Kumanovo they turned the water off, lets also not forget Ljubanci,Ljuboten,Arachinovo,Radusha,Shipkovica reservists where called and forces where mobilized.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, now you're talking about WWII, Bosnia and the Ustasha state?

Prolet, do you have some sort of difficulty with keeping your mind on one topic with relevance?

Prolet, like I said before, I am sure if the Dayton Accord asked for the same rights to be given to Serbs in Croatia as that which is given to ethnic Albanians in Macedonia, the picture and reaction would be markedly different.

Prolet, do you understand what I am writing to you?

Prolet....hey Prolet, Prolet?

Prolet?

[fatso]

Buktop has a right to express his opinion.

Excuse my ignorance, but what has the UMD done that has all of you riled up. Is it the ongoing negotiations ???

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by fatso

Buktop has a right to express his opinion.

Excuse my ignorance, but what has the UMD done that has all of you riled up. Is it the ongoing negotiations ???

The main problem i see fatso is, There are many here that are discruntled with Meto and directed towards him but we have others talking on his behalf. I am sure if he came out and answered him self, it will blow away sooner than later. But i also am ignorant to what is going on.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Prolet

SOM, What do you think the Dayton Accord was?? The Croats lost alot actually they lost towns and villages to Serbs and Muslims in Bosnia, take Mostar for example which is the capital of Herzegovina they lost half of it (The Eastern Side) to the Muslims.

The Croatian Diaspora made Croatia what it is today thats reality, if it wasnt for the Croatian Diaspora the Serbs would have wiped out their country.

I only made the comparison with Croatia in terms of supporting an armed conflict for their motherland, how did we compare when we where attacked by the Albanian Terrorists in 2001?? How many people even went back to defend their country?? Not very many thats for sure.

prolet, whats with your hard-on for croatia...i've noticed this in many posts of yours.

croatia's victory over the serbs didn't have as much to do with their diaspora as you would like to believe, croatia's victory was based on the support it received from the US military...the US was the reason for their victory in the same way the US was the reason for our 'defeat' at the hands of the shiptari

the croats have exactly the same crooks in government as the Macedonians do, most of the diaspora money went into the pockets of the officials, many croats got fucked over and in many ways they're far more naive than the Macedonians but they too have learnt the hard way and you will never see them throwing money at the croatian state like they did in the past

I dont understand why you can't stick to one train of thought...you know exactly where I stand on this UMD thing because you were there on that first thread on Maknews agreeing with what I was saying and now you're chopping and changing...

prolet, in 2001 Macedonia didn't need cannon fodder from the diaspora, it just needed access to arms and the political will to wipe out the insurgency which it was more than capable of doing as the battle for Aracinovo clearly showed. Instead every avenue for Macedonia's access to weapons was blocked, every action undertaken by Macedonia's forces was with its hands tied.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The additional problematic layer here is that Meto has already provided his answers in response to the questions of why he suggested name changes for Macedonia - And he has denied they ever took place.

That, in my opinion, is the biggest problem of all. If a person cannot be honest with themselves, how are they going to be honest with the people they apparently represent?

[Prolet]

SOM, If you ask any Croat they will tell you that the Bosnian Croats are on Croatian Territory more then our people in Egejska and Pirinska Makedonija because the Croats actually have a recognized republic in Bosnia.

Now the Dayton Accord states that every displaced Croat,Serb and Muslim are to be returned and their property is to be rebuilt and returned to them pretty much the same thing with us however the Macedonians from Arachinovo still havnt returned, one returned and was killed i think he was an old man.

Now back to your question about the Serbs getting the same rights in Croatia as the Albanians in Stari Kraj, do the dvojazicni tabli make any difference?? can you tell the difference between a Croat and a Serb in Croatia?? They talk the same pretty much unless you know them that well that you can tell from their accents and even their names its different since the Albanians speak a different language and have different cultures even by looking at their houses you can tell which is an Albanian house which is not an Albanian house especially the religion too you have women dressed up with Mantili and shamii on their heads and the Albanians pretty much self identify with those kapchina on their heads, either way the whole point was the Croats where threatened and invaded and their diaspora intervened while when we where attacked by Albanian Terrorists we failed in the long run, now i agree that the Croats suffered larger casualties and some of their cities where blown to bits however we had our fair share of suffering too, who can forget those workers in Mavrovo that where tortured? We wernt prepared and this is something we should learn from, we shouldnt be arguing about petty things and things that have happened that we cannot change we should be warried about what happens next and how we can move forward for the future.

[TajnataKniga]

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