The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

[Carlin]

Originally Posted by VMRO

That article is from Rubin Zemon, after reading some of his press releases lately i'm hesitant to take anything he says as credible.

Duly noted.

I remember him now! Zemon wrote the preface to the Macedonian edition of Bernal's Black Athena. I purchased this edition many years ago.

Here is Zemon's Preface:
http://www.academia.edu/9078927/%D0%...BD%D0%B0%D0%BB

[Carlin]

[Carlin]

The following are direct quotations from the Greek article GREECE THROUGH THE AGES: A historical and socio-political overview.

Link here:
https://www.freeinquiry.gr/single-post.php?id=4192

- The Greek war of Independence didnʼt take place because the Greek subjects re-discovered their past which was completely forgotten. The “new comers” that had become subjects of the Ottoman Empire were mere savages that survived by getting ransom after blackmailing and kidnapping both Muslims and Christians and by looting villages. Kyriakos Simopoulos, a noted Greek author in his multi-volume work titled:“Foreign Sight-Seers in Greece” and ”How The Foreign Visitors Saw Greece in 1821” which is based on the narrations of European visitors presents the completely distorted ideas that the European Romantics had about the “modern population” of Greece. They chartered ships to bring clothing and food to the “Greeks” who were supposedly suffering from the “Ottoman yoke” but they ended up returning to their ships not only disappointed but also completely naked since the minute they disembarked, they were attacked by local (mainly of Albanian and Wallachian origin) uncouth mobs who violently stole all of their possessions including their clothes.

- The majority of modern Greeks today traces its origin from the mixture of Albanians, Wallachians, Northern Africans and Anatolians who had infested the land of Greece back then along with Slavs and some Francs and Venetians. Unfortunately even today, most modern Greeks are oblivious to their true historic and genetic origin. They think that they are the offsprings of ancient Greeks who suddenly saw the “light” and became Christians. Quite the opposite is true; they were Christians who were made to believe that their ancestors were the ancient Greeks.

[Carlin]

Originally Posted by tchaiku

The Byzantine writer Cecaumenos, in his Strategicon of 1066 wrote that the Vlachs of Epirus and Thessalia came from North of the Danube and from along the Sava and that they were the descendants of the Dacians and the Bessi.

Bessi was general name of all Thracian tribes around Rhodope Mountains in Roman Empire time. Romans used name "Bessi" to describe other subgroups of Thracians in Rhodope such as Dii,Satrae,Maedi..etc. too.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background




We know that Pachymeres called the Vlachs of Thessaly Myrmidons as he wrote that they descend from Achilles. (Phrantzes also calls Myrmidons the inhabitants of Tzaconia.)



Why did Kekaumenos and Pachymeres have such differing opinions?


PS:

In the 14th century, Ephraim reports in his chronicle about ACHAIA VLACHIA (unsure what this might refer to precisely; perhaps it also refers to Thessaly but that does not seem to make sense as Thessaly and neighboring areas were (consistently) known as Great Vlachia, as reported by several authors).

[Carlin]

The Encyclopaedia Britannica: A Dictionary of Arts, Sciences, ... , 1911:

"In A.D. 395 a Gothic horde under Alaric devastated Laconia, and subsequently it was overrun by large bands of Slavic immigrants."


URL:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=Uyl...X-AN4Q6AEITjAH
https://www.google.ca/search?tbm=bks...nia+devastated


The Illustrated History of Rome: From the Founding of the City by, ... , George A. Smith - 1884:



URL:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=jEs...page&q&f=false

[Carlin]

- Between 1480 and 1546, the city of Athens had been vacated by epidemics, as evidenced by the anonymous chronicle of Oxford (Ectesis chronica and chronicon Athenarum, London, 1902).

- Historians agree: Athens had been forgotten because of the historical vacuum of so many centuries. It was an insignificant castle of Frankish rule. Until the last quarter of the 17th century it was almost non-existent for foreigners. Everyone believed that it was a bunch of ruins if it had not disappeared altogether. Guillet wrote in 1675: "I had read and heard a thousand times that Athens was a desolate place" (Guillet, p. 211).

- The Dutch traveler Favolius described the city of Athens as "a land of poor people". (Hodoeporiki byzantini lib. III auctore Hugone Favolio – Lovanii (Excudebat Servatius Sassenus, 1563).

- Julien Bordier, a French traveler, saw a Turkish village in Athens: "From this pervasive state, there is only a sad Turkish village, called Setina, and it is in the hands of one aga." (Athens was called Satines or Setines or Stines; Acropolis was Castro; Piraeus was called Porto-Draco or Porto-Leone from the marble lion, seized by the Venetians.)

- Genovese captain Francesco - Maria Levanto noted in his chronicle: "Today's Athens is but a deserted, barren place scattered with stones." (Prima parte dello specchio del Mare Mediterraneo dal capitan Francesco – Maria Levanto (In Genova, 1664.).

- "The once glorious Athens is so desolate, it seems incredible, that it was once glorious. I, at least, have not seen a more terrible place. Deserts, marshlands and marshes..." Impressions of the French ambassador, D'Aramon, as noted by his grammatist, the noble Jean Chesneau in 1546. (Jean Chesneau: Le voyage de monsieur d΄Aramon ambassadeur pour le Roy en Levant, escript par un noble homme Jean Chesneau publie et annote par M. Ch. Schefer (Paris, 1887).

URL:
https://diktyoellinwn.wordpress.com/...-%CF%84%CF%89/

[Carlin]

"Most of the merchants and leading persons at Janina and Metsovo are Vlachs. These Vlachs of Epirus would esteem it an offence to be considered of a comrade race with the Roumans."

- Papers by Command - Volume 87 - Page 104 (Great Britain. Parliament. House of Commons - 1903)

[Carlin]

1) In Cephalonia, the Arvanites were first settled by the Venetian administration in May 1502 (K. Sathas: «Ελληνικά ανέκδοτα», τόμ. Α΄). Theodoros Bouas Grivas clan established in 1502 on the almost deserted and uninhabited Ithaca.

https://diktyoellinwn.wordpress.com/...-%CF%84%CF%89/

2) Testimony of De la Guilletiere who wrote in 1672: "All the inhabitants of Mesogeia are called Arvanites." (Georges Guillet de la Guilletiere, Athenes ancienne et nouvelle et l΄etat present de l΄Empire Turc, 1675.)

Mesogeia - the term designates since antiquity roughly the inland portion of the Attic peninsula


3) "Leaving Aulis ... we reached a village of Arnaouts. Here they call themselves Arvanites, but I do not know if they come from Albania. They speak their own language that no one understands. Their clothing is different from the clothing of the Greeks. It is more like the costume of the villagers of France. In their shaved head they wear a pointed hat." (Sieur d' Loir, French traveler, 1639.)

4) Traveler Nicholas Biddle, comparing the number of Albanians with the "Greeks", estimated at the end of the 19th century that the Albanians would one day absorb the "Greeks":

"Albanians are very likely to absorb the Greeks, who are decreasing rather than rising."

(«Αθήνα. Το τέλειο πρόσωπο τής ερήμωσης» από το βιβλίο: «Nicholas Biddle in Greece, The journals and letters of 1806», Πενσυλβάνια, 1991.)

https://www.freeinquiry.gr/single-post.php?id=1248

[Carlin]

Piana degli Albanesi = Piana dei Greci

URL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piana_degli_Albanesi

Piana degli Albanesi was founded in the late 15th century by a large group of Albanian refugees coming from the Balkans during the conquest of the latter by the Ottoman Empire.

King John II of Spain and Sicily allowed the original refugees to occupy the present place and to preserve their Orthodox Christian rite. These Albanian refugees were at the time referred to by the surrounding population as "Greeks" on account of their Orthodox faith and the settlement became known as Piana dei Greci. For example, in 1673, the local priest Domenico Mamola in a note written in Greek refers to the settlement as Piana dei Greci.

In 1941 during Mussolini's invasion of Greece, the name was changed to Piana degli Albanesi so as to gain the locals support for the fascist regime's imperialist intentions toward Albania.



Piana dei Greci - initially "Greeks", as referred to by the surrounding population while local priests were writing notes in Greek.
They might as well have had some form of medieval Greek "identity" -- and yet nothing, absolutely nothing, changes the fact that the totality of these settlers were Albanian-speakers.

[Carlin]

Albanese = Acarnanians