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  • DirtyCodingHabitz
    Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 835

    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    What is it with some of these Greeks and their love for the swastika symbol......
    Their behavior relates to it.

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    • George S.
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10116

      They are just nazis who hate normal people.
      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
      GOTSE DELCEV

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      • SirGeorge8600
        Member
        • Jun 2011
        • 117

        I think people in this thread need to study Nazism more... with your definitions then Macedonia would be Nazi too... I don't get why you're calling Greeks Nazi's when the Jews who were in Crete were Greeks as well. We all know there'd be many Greek Jews had the Germans not paid a visit to Greece in the 40s.

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        • julie
          Senior Member
          • May 2009
          • 3869

          So sir George supports the chants of the grks wearing the Macedonians as skins on their backs . And states our people Are the same . Your agenda is coming through
          "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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          • George S.
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 10116

            the behavior of the greeks is similar to nazism.where people are beaten up because of their race.They are forced to assimilate.not allowed to speak their language.genocide etc that's nazism.
            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
            GOTSE DELCEV

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            • SirGeorge8600
              Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 117

              The problem is you say 'Greeks' when it applies to a minority of ultra-nationalists...I doubt a country of mostly liberal-socialists is Nazi-like...especially when there's other dire things Greeks care about more like the economy. There's racial crimes in Macedonia and every other country in the world... and as for genocide you can talk to the Turks for that...and they still deny it. In fact Hitler used Turkey as a prime example in his Mein Kampf for explaining how victors wrote history and Turks got away with the genocides.

              No one in Greece is forced to assimilate, and there crap loads of Albanians and foreigners speaking their language...it's a tourist country.

              @julie..I already addressed that on this forum on another post. I have no agenda...I've heard ultra-national Macedonians call Greeks genetically inferior sub-humans...is that not Nazi like? You can't that the mistakes of a few people and burden and entire innocent population.

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              • makedonche
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 3242

                Originally posted by SirGeorge8600 View Post
                The problem is you say 'Greeks' when it applies to a minority of ultra-nationalists...I doubt a country of mostly liberal-socialists is Nazi-like...especially when there's other dire things Greeks care about more like the economy. There's racial crimes in Macedonia and every other country in the world... and as for genocide you can talk to the Turks for that...and they still deny it. In fact Hitler used Turkey as a prime example in his Mein Kampf for explaining how victors wrote history and Turks got away with the genocides.

                No one in Greece is forced to assimilate, and there crap loads of Albanians and foreigners speaking their language...it's a tourist country.

                @julie..I already addressed that on this forum on another post. I have no agenda...I've heard ultra-national Macedonians call Greeks genetically inferior sub-humans...is that not Nazi like? You can't that the mistakes of a few people and burden and entire innocent population.
                Giorgi
                To be able to claim "entire innocent population" you would need to establish that innocence, from where I stand you are either a part of the problem or a part of the solution - I have yet to see any of these "innocent population" become part of the solution, they therefore contribute unwittingly to the "racist nazi's" by allowing them to continue their actions, unless you can demonstrate for me how & where this "innocent" population have taken measures to reign in these nazi's I will continue to tar them with the same brush!
                On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                • George S.
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10116

                  Gorgi we aren't tralking about turks here we are talking of greece after occupying macedonia changing toponym names forcing people to speak greek,population movements,tortures beatings,for speaking macedonian,for identifying as macedonian.Dispossed of their lands.On my mothers side her great grandfather whil'st he was alive with forks the greeks pulled his eyes out whilst he was alive & had his head cut off for being MACEDONIAN.Denials of macedonians brushed aside & human rights abuses all the time.Laws passed to discriminate against macedonians.Macedonians forced to change names to greek ones so that they can work.Also for being macedonian a lot of discrimination exists.Macedonians forbiddent to speak their language & religion & culture.
                  Sir george you said you were going to admit allthose attrocities instead you are denying them.
                  "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                  GOTSE DELCEV

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                  • SirGeorge8600
                    Member
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 117

                    "they therefore contribute unwittingly to the "racist nazi's" by allowing them to continue their actions"

                    So do you contribute unwittingly to the starving of millions of children daily because you're not doing anything about it? Even though the western sovereigns have more than enough money to feed them? Such is false logic. If humanity functioned that way, we'd be living in a utopia, however we are burdened to caring selfishly about problems that apply only to us and by second degree to those around us. Anything else is altruism.

                    Also I do not personally deny the torments, I know about them, but I am confused as to how they apply to modern Greeks. Would it be just and rationale to apply how Alexander the Great and his soldiers for assaulting, slaying/massacring, and denying rights to the Jews and pillaging their villages while destroying every known synagogue? (it's written in the Torah). We obviously wouldn't apply that to modern Macedonians. The only thing that connects generations of humans are their natured genes, not the nationalism that comes from psychological nurture.
                    Last edited by SirGeorge8600; 06-24-2011, 12:45 PM.

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                    • George S.
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 10116

                      Gorgi behind it all is the greek govt & not really the people.The people are indoctrinated to act like that.
                      Last edited by George S.; 06-24-2011, 02:11 PM. Reason: ed
                      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                      GOTSE DELCEV

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                      • julie
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2009
                        • 3869

                        Sir george your defence of the grks abuse of human rights of my people is wearing thin . And the rampant abuse you are defending nazis . Who turn macedonians away at the borders even today to go home to their birthplace to bury their parents even . Who must declare their "greekness" to go to uni or get a job who Dont even recognise the Macedonian minority through forced assimilation . Who support and cheer their soldiers on parade in the present of wearing my Macedonian skin on their backs and your nazi grk brethren not protesting on that disgusting nazi behavior . Go to hell
                        "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                        • SirGeorge8600
                          Member
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 117

                          I'm not defending anyone here, I'm presenting a neutral argument with logic that George S. summed up greatly. You can't burden the people with faults of the sovereign and/or minority haters. There is not "greekness" needed to get into uni or get a job... epecially since most of those uni's are liberal socialist and even anarchist in behavior, and those businesses who offer the jobs look to take what they can and lie to the government in this crisis.

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                          • julie
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 3869

                            Originally posted by SirGeorge8600 View Post
                            I'm not defending anyone here, I'm presenting a neutral argument with logic that George S. summed up greatly. You can't burden the people with faults of the sovereign and/or minority haters. There is not "greekness" needed to get into uni or get a job... epecially since most of those uni's are liberal socialist and even anarchist in behavior, and those businesses who offer the jobs look to take what they can and lie to the government in this crisis.
                            You jest . Macedonians can say they are macedonian ? They turn them away from the border even today ! Greece does not recognise Macedonian minority ! Dont mock me or skirt around it
                            "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                            • SirGeorge8600
                              Member
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 117

                              Originally posted by julie View Post
                              You jest . Macedonians can say they are macedonian ? They turn them away from the border even today ! Greece does not recognise Macedonian minority ! Dont mock me or skirt around it
                              Well seeing as how I have met Macedonian tourists in Greece who say they are Macedonia then I presume yes, of course there will be nationalists who demise that, but that doesn't apply to the general populace, especially since such an issue would be a politico in Greece. lol and I really don't know why you're complaining to me about the recognition issue, I'd love it more than anything for Greece to recognize the Macedonian minority but I don't run the country or have any political authority there.

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                              • George S.
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 10116

                                Gorgi the people of greece at some point in time must revolt of that behaviour if they are peace loving people democratically minded they will react to the situation.The greek govt is ultimately responsible for all that has happened in the agean area since 1913.For the moment we'll say that the people have been brainwashed to think & act in a certain way.But sooner not later if they have any human feelings they must revolt agains't the govt otherwise they will be implicated.
                                Last edited by George S.; 06-24-2011, 08:39 PM. Reason: edit
                                "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                                GOTSE DELCEV

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