Population of Macedonia and Adjacent Areas

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  • Amphipolis
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    • Aug 2014
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    A type of map I haven't seen before, illustrating the Ottoman census of 1870s.

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    • Carlin
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      • Dec 2011
      • 3332

      G. M. Ivkovic met on one occasion in Lerin a Cincar (Vlach), and asked him what was his nationality; he replied 'Greek' even though he did not know a word of Greek. When Mr. Ivkovic then asked what kind of a Greek he was when he doesn't know Greek, the Cincar replied: "Greeks are in towns, Vlachs are in the mountains."

      Source: Page 21 --> Dr D. J. Popovic "O Cincarima"

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      • Carlin
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        • Dec 2011
        • 3332

        Quoting from the book of Krste Bitoski "The churches and schools of the town of Monastir in the mid-19th century were in Greek hands".

        According to the memorandum submitted to the Rumanian government in 1901 by Lecanda Lazarescu, head of propaganda: "In villages where the population consists entirely of Vlachs, the Greek schools are packed with pupils while the Romanian schools stand empty. The Vlachs contribute to the running of the Greek schools and, when they die, leave their fortunes to the cause of disseminating Greek education".

        This is how the multilingual residents of Bitola defined themselves in the dawn of the 20th century:

        ''Λαλουμεν ελληνιστί, βουλγαριστί, βλαχιστί, αλβανιστί, ομως απαντες ειμαστε Ελληνες και δεν επιτρεπουμε σε κανεναν να μας αμφισβητει τουτο'' ("We speak Greek, Slavonic, Vlach, Albanian but we are all Hellenes and we do not allow anyone to dispute this fact").

        Source:
        Οι στυλοβάτες τους γένους

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        • Albo
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          • May 2014
          • 304

          Ethnographic maps of Macedonia and the region from 1877, for those who believe that Albanians came to Macedonia from Kosovo during Yugoslavia.
          Major Albanian presents can be seen in Western, Northern and Central parts of modern day Macedonia



          1882


          1880

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          • vicsinad
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            • May 2011
            • 2337

            Albo,

            What if I were to show you other maps from the same time frame and earlier that show no Albanians in Macedonia? Would you say they were lies?

            Regardless, many Albanians did indeed come into Macedonia in the second half of the 20th century from Kosovo and northern Albania. This does not mean that Albanians did not exist in Macedonia prior to that. But many of those Albanians prior to Yugoslavia came not as friends, but as invaders in the 18th and 19th centuries, terrorizing villages and evicting Christians from their homes.

            This is more true for the Ghegs than the Tosks, who generally co-existed peacefully with their neighbors during this times and weren't as viscous or aggressive as their northern Gheg brethren.

            Albanians want to believe they are native to every single piece of territory they inhabit today, while is simply not true.

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            • Carlin
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              • Dec 2011
              • 3332

              Ethnic maps as instruments of nation-building on the Balkans (1900-1914). The Austro-Hungarian experience

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              • Carlin
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                • Dec 2011
                • 3332

                A limited degree of colonisation by Serbs seems to have taken place in the southern part of eastern Macedonia. And here it is interesting to observe that Lemerle expresses the opinion that the Serbian armies had a firm grip on the region of Philippi, and that even throughout the 'Roman' parts there had been some colonisation by 'Triballians' here and there.

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                • Carlin
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                  • Dec 2011
                  • 3332

                  Bishop Vlaho or Vlahoepiskop

                  Bubalo, Đorđe P. - Bishop Vlaho or Vlahoepiskop - Zbornik radova Vizantoloskog instituta

                  In three different sources written in Serbian - the inventory of the estates of the monastery of the Holy Virgin in Htetovo as well as in the second and third charter issued by king Dušan to the monastery of Treskavac - there is mention of a church prelate identified as vlahoepiskop. One group of historians interpreted this title as referring to a bishop by the name of Vlaho. On the other hand, historians analysing the clauses of all the charters issued to the monastery of Treskavac noticed that in the first charter issued to that monastery the term Vlach bishop stands in place of the term vlahoepiskop found in the second and third charter. Therefore, although with some vacillation, they interpreted the term vlahoepiskop as a synonym for the bishop of the Vlachs, one of the subordinates of the archbishop of Ohrid.

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                  • Carlin
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                    • Dec 2011
                    • 3332









                    Last edited by Carlin; 04-22-2017, 06:46 AM.

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                    • Carlin
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                      • Dec 2011
                      • 3332

                      Antiquarian Researches in Illyricum, By Sir Arthur Evans


                      Pages 106 and 107:
                      - In the old Dalmatian regions, I have already, more than once, had occasion to insist on the survival of the Romanized indigenous population in a Slavonic guise. In Dardania the evidence of this is at least as strong, and in the neighbouring Thracian districts the old tribal names have in some cases been preserved:

                      Noropes --> Neropch or Meropch
                      Moesians --> Mijatzi
                      Paeonians --> Pijanci
                      Thracian Sapaei --> Shopi
                      Timaci --> Slavonic Timociani

                      - There is evidence that in the early Middle Ages there was a Rouman population in the neighbourhood of Skopia.
                      - Vlachs near Skopia are mentioned under the Bulgarian Czar Constantine (1258-1277). See Jirechek, Geschichte der Bulgaren, p. 218.

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                      • Carlin
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                        • Dec 2011
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                        • Carlin
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 3332

                          The following two testimonies do come from a modern Bulgarian book. I am sharing them to indicate that these testimonies offer us evidence that a rather large segment of the population of Salonica were Slavophones - without interruption or gaps up until the 18th century. (It is not something new or surprising.)

                          The first source is from the 12th c., while the second one from 1725 (which comes from a Russian traveller named V.G. Barski).


                          Last edited by Carlin; 05-13-2017, 10:36 AM.

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                          • tchaiku
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                            • Nov 2016
                            • 786

                            Slavs formed the majority in Salonica even in 19th/20th century.

                            Slavs in Macedonia in the early 20th were over a million. Those number don't even show half a million (referring to the descendants of the Slavic speakers) decades later:
                            Last edited by tchaiku; 05-13-2017, 11:26 AM.

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                            • Amphipolis
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                              • Aug 2014
                              • 1328

                              Originally posted by Carlin View Post
                              The first source is from the 12th c., while the second one from 1725 (which comes from a Russian traveller named V.G. Barski).
                              The "Legend of Thessalonica" is a Bulgarian text from late 1400s, not 1100s, but you can find several views here:
                              The Slavonic eschatological apocryphon Solunskaja Legenda (“The Legend of Thessalonica”) is a direct translation from Syriac. The archetype of the extant recensions is datable to 893–972. It was created, in the First Bulgarian Empire, on the base of


                              Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
                              Slavs formed the majority in Salonica even in 19th/20th century.

                              Slavs in Macedonia in the early 20th were over a million.
                              No and No. There are many extended threads discussing both the demographics of Thessaloniki and all of Macedonia, based on various sources.

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