Population of Macedonia and Adjacent Areas

[TrueMacedonian]

Originally Posted by Pelister

Armenians obviously were not that 'great' in terms of numbers in Solun, or there would have been more contemporary evidence of them.

It's the one ethnic group, in my opinion, that doesn't get enough recognition in terms of migrations within Macedonia. We have to remember a few things about the Armenians;

1) They were a major part of the East Roman Empire.
2) They were a merchant peoples which means they settled in big cities.
3) As far as Macedonia and Bogomilism they were part of the process that made the Bogomil movement big - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=4125 - through direct Paulician and other Armenian sects of influence.

So there is evidence (Tsar Samuel himself was possibly half Armenian) written and otherwise somewhat cultural at that time.

[TrueMacedonian]

The Austrian army did not interfere anymore in the fights against the Ottoman - Tartar forces. After the suppression of the Karposh Uprising, the Grand Vizier declared the war 'Holy' and that the raya and the Muslims became equal. The Tartars of Crimea were stationed in the Skopje Field, and from there they entered Tetovo, Veles and Mariovo, suppressing the rebellions, and robbing the population. In the meantime, the Arnaut (Albanian) Koja Halil Pasha arrived ftom Peloponnese in Skopje. He had also destroyed everything in his path, and met Tartar Khan in Skopje. Although the forces of Arnaut Koja Halil Pasha did not participate in the suppression of the Karposh Uprising, because they arrived later, his Albanian mercenaries began to take over. Later they acquired land in Skopje and Tetovo region as a gratitude from the Sultan, for the evil that they had spread in these areas.

Vanche Stojchev. “Military History of Macedonia" page 155.

The consequences of the Karposh Uprising were of historical and permanent significance for the Macedonian people. The Empires, the Austrian and the Ottoman, declared the war Holy. In the name of God and Allah they fought to improve the conditions of the Christians and the Muslims. The Macedonian people suffered the most from the penetration of the Austrian army, and later from the revenge of the Ottoman and the Tartar forces. Their torture forced the Macedonian people to leave their homes and their land. The pashas gave their properties to those who caused the greatest suffering to the Macedonian people.



The hard life under the Ottoman rule became even harder after the suppression of the Karposh Uprising and the retreat of the Austrian army. Although the Grand Vizier Kuprulu carried out reforms to improve the status of the Christians, the local authorities took severe revenge on the unarmed people. As a result of that situation, in the areas of Skopje, Tetovo and Tikves, many refugees left to the north. Under the leadership of the Patriarch of Pech, Arsenije III Carnojevich, in 1690, the Great Migration of the Christians was organized. People from Pech, Prishtina, Vranje, Prizren, from Skopje area, Kumanovo area, Kratovo area, Kriva Palanka, Polog, Veles, Shtip, Kochani, Bitola and even Salonica, were all moving north to Hungary, that is Vojvodina. There are data about the number of people who migrated. In some sources the figure of 30 or 40,000 people is noted. However, recent sources prove that the number was between 70-80,000 and 100,000 people. After the migration of the Macedonian population, the Ottoman authorities brought Turks- Yuruks, Albanians and other population on their properties. These people accepted Islam. After arriving in Austria, that is Vojvodina, Macedonians moved to Russia, where a Macedonian regiment was created.

Vanche Stojchev. “Military History of Macedonia" page 157

[TrueMacedonian]

The following is taken from Fields of Wheat, Hills of Blood written by Anastasia Karakasidou concerning inhabitants in Occupied Macedonia.

page 48

Yet by the mid-nineteenth century, economy and society in Guvezna began to undergo yet another series of fundamental changes. As noted earlier, genealogical reconstructions of family histories for present-day Assiros villagers who claimed their ancestors had come from Trikala (Thessaly), date the arrival of these Greek-speaking migrant settlers to the mid-to-late nineteenth century, or the 1830's-1880's in particular. Most of these newcomers established themselves, as their family occupational histories revealed, as merchants and artisans. These Christians soon came to dominate the flow of goods in and out of the settlement and by the end of the nineteenth century had built a church and brought in a teacher of Greek to educate their children.But what brought these men to Guvezna?

page 50

During the mid-nineteenth century, a number of un-married young Greek (or Greek-speaking) men, mainly from the area of Trikala in Thessaly, came to the Langadhas basin and established themselves in Guvezna as merchants, millers, wagoners, and tax collectors. I leave the issue of the cultural or ethnic identity of these migrant settlers open, for while their descendants claimed that they had been Greek, other evidence suggests that they may have been Hellenized Vlachs who spoke Greek.

page 61

In fact, one villager in Assiros, related to one of these men from Thessaly, asserted that they had come to Guvezna for propaganda purposes (yia propaghandha), to Hellenize the inhabitants in this part of Macedonia.

Hellenized Vlachs migrating to Macedonia impossible. Macedonia has been Grk for 4,000,000 years. It is purely homogenous

[TrueMacedonian]

In many cases communal disputes seem to be related to the different geographical origin of the local clans. Though no proper research has been done, it is a fact that between 1750 and 1850 successive waves of refugees settled in Macedonia. They were Christians, Albanian-, Greek- or Vlach-speaking, evicted from Epirus due to the continuous disturbances caused initially by the Albanian tribes and later on by the Ali pasha irregulars. In the course of a century a considerable number of new villages were established throughout Macedonia, while in other cases refugee families settled in Slav-speaking communities.

Social cleavages and national "awakening" in Ottoman Macedonia, by Basil Gounaris, East European Quarterly, Winter 1995 v29 n4 p409(18).


New-comers since the 18th century. How pathetic the Arvanito-Vlach Athenians continue to play a game of political chauvenism and propaganda, with a land their ancestors got acquainted with not too long ago, proclaiming an impossible 4000 years of lies.

[Bratot]

In 1990, the chairman of the Muslim organization, Riza Memedovski, sent an open letter to the Chairman of the Party for Democratic Prosperity of Macedonia. Talking of a “quiet assimilation,” he accused the PDP of using religion in an attempted “Kosovoization and Albanization of western Macedonia” (Poulton, 1997:94).

http://www.drustvo-antropologov.si/A...3_Bielenin.pdf

[George S.]

the greeks are very good at falsifying statistics regarding populations.

[TrueMacedonian]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

page 256


Of course "Aliens were required" in modern "greece". Everyone there in the 1830's was an alien lol.

Some of these Aliens came from Albania and Macedonia. Warning: the following is 19th century imposter hellene propaganda. It shows how nothing of the simpleton mentality has changed about these racist thieves that make false claims.

[TrueMacedonian]

page 34



The translation for the French passage above is courtesy of google translate:

'We learn that the Greek authorities of the Albanian regions engaged have used force to excite people and make them do manifestations. The Greeks commit excesses before the evacuation of the country they intend to destroy as they did in Thrace and Macedonia. Entire villages are transplanted to distort the truth in the delimitation of the boundary. We allow you to attract the attention of the Government of His Britannic Majesty and pray to the defense of life and property of our countrymen.

On behalf of refugees from Coritza, Kolonia, Leskovik, Conitzer, Rogou, Allows, Argyrokastro, Delvina. "

This is how ridiculous these people and their forefathers are. The need to dump imposter hellenes in areas they don't belong to make false claims with pseudo-history and then say "Greek for 10,000 years" is the oldest trick in the book.

[Onur]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

This is how ridiculous these people and their forefathers are. The need to dump imposter hellenes in areas they don't belong to make false claims with pseudo-history and then say "Greek for 10,000 years" is the oldest trick in the book.

TrueMacedonian, you can also see same bullshit directly from the mouth of Venizoles in the official records of Paris peace conference in 1919.

Like this one for example;



So, whenever Venizelos criticized by the Italians about his false claims, the only explanation of Venizelos was "Greeks have higher civilization than Albanians, so Albania(Epirus, according to them) should be part of Greece". The usual fantasy called ancient Greece.

Greeks stole western Thrace just like that from Turkey. Half of Thrace has been awarded to them by great powers even tough Greeks wasn't more than 10% in there. Also 90% of the western Thrace was the property of local Turkish people in 1920s. Actually not only Thrace, you know, half of Anatolia has been awarded to them but we were able to kick them out from here but we couldn't from western Thrace.


I already posted PDF version of this book. You can read here;

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...0&postcount=33

[TrueMacedonian]

Originally Posted by Onur

TrueMacedonian, you can also see same bullshit directly from the mouth of Venizoles in the official records of Paris peace conference in 1919.

Like this one for example;



So, whenever Venizelos criticized by the Italians about his false claims, the only explanation of Venizelos was "Greeks have higher civilization than Albanians, so Albania(Epirus, according to them) should be part of Greece".

Greeks stole western Thrace just like that from Turkey. Half of Thrace has been awarded to them by great powers even tough Greeks wasn't more than 10% in there. Also 90% of the western Thrace was the property of local Turkish people in 1920s. Actually not only Thrace, you know, half of Anatolia has been awarded to them but we were able to kick them out from here but we couldn't from western Thrace.


I already posted PDF version of this book. You can read here;

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...0&postcount=33

I've read about this already my friend - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...t=3841&page=12