Official Greek Document- destruction of Macedonian ethnic conscious

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  • Volk
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 894

    Official Greek Document- destruction of Macedonian ethnic conscious



    Greek Secret Service plan for Macedonians

    Image A document from the Greek Secret Service, dating back to 1982. It exemplifies the methodical steps Athens took to destroy Macedonian ethnic conscious as well as the “idiom” within its territory.

    The plan had been drafted on February 16, 1982, by the Chief of the Greek Secret Service, Dimitris Kapelaris.

    According to the plan, Athens had created a Secret Team nicknamed “Plot Against Macedonia” that was dispatched to Aegean Macedonia and infiltrated into all aspects of public life: (Tax office, Schools, Army, Church, etc). This is the period when a lot of Macedonians were followed, jailed, fired, beaten, for publicly stating they were Macedonians, not realizing they were being spied on at every level.

    The Greek Secret Service also had plans for Florina (Lerin) residents who failed to “feel Greek”, and feared may succumb under local Macedonian influence. As a solution, the Secret Service proposed to give these people money, brainwashing literature, and creating a cultural organization named “ARISTOTELIS”. A brilliant plan, that ought to make them “Greek”! The magnitude, the sheer stupidity and lunacy of these people is remarkable.

    Dimitris Kapelaris took a moment to congratulate the Secret Service for managing to ‘almost’ wipe out the Macedonian conscious and the ‘idiom’ in Kastoria (Kostur).

    The Greek Secret Service despised the fact that Macedonians marry only Macedonians in Greece, and made plans how to mix marriages, so the Macedonians would loose their ethnicity.

    Were they trying to create more of the Karamanlis type? Their plan backfired, to this day Macedonians in Greece marry Macedonians.

    1982, the year of this letter, is also the year Athens implemented laws banning Macedonian refugees from returning to their properties - Not a coincidence.

    Without further a due, below is the complete document drafted by the Geek Secret Service.



    HELENIC REPUBLIC Top Secret
    MINISTRY OF PUBLIC SECURITY
    NATIONAL SECURITY SERVICE
    Athens, 16th February, 1982

    Number of protocol 6502/7-3042?

    INTRODUCTION
    a) The Skopians’ activities for the autonomy of Macedonia may be efficiently confronted mainly by wiping out the use of the idiom, in the regions near the borders. This opinion is based on the realizations that also other regions that in older times were center of “Macedonism”, like Kastoria, are no hit by the Skopian propaganda, because there the use of the idiom has been almost wiped out.

    b) This element by itself would be enough to exclude any thoughts of repatriation of the P/R (political refugees) who now reside in Yugoslavia and who have been brought up with the “Macedonian idea”, the “Macedonian language and culture”, independently of their participation or not to the organizations SNOF, NOF and activities take for detaching Greek territories during the period 1946-1949

    c) As for evidence it is imperative to:
    1. The creation of a state institution that will depend from the Prefectures of the regions near the borders, lined with the suitable and specially trained to the “Plot against Macedonia” subject, personnel.
    This institution will engage itself only with this subject, with the supervision of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and will collaborate closely, but in secret with the Security Authorities and all the Public Services (Tax office, Schools, Army, Church, etc)
    2. In the public services and especially in the educational institutions the employees who will be in service have to be ignorant of the local idiom.
    3. The establishment of special enlightenment seminaries, for all the public service employees and the clergy who are in service in the sensitive region of Macedonia.
    4. The establishment of motivations for the obligatory residence of the public servants and other employees, in the quarters of their service (example: payment of the rent, extra pay, etc.)
    5. Establishment of the Cultural Association, like “ARISTOTELIS” in Florina and economic help to them, for the realization of events and the publishing of books, newspapers, magazines, etc. And afterwards these will be sent to the Diaspora abroad who has origins from the regions of the senders. This will boost their national sentiment and they will be protected from the anti-Hellenic propaganda that is been practiced by S/M (Slavmacedonians) organizations.
    6. Insertion of various obstacles (non-recognition of diplomas, postponement of military service, etc.) for the Greek students who wish to study in Skopje.
    7. Marking in each village of persons who due to their kin bounds and their personality influence a large circle of co-villagers and with any means (even with money payments) get close to them and use them properly so they will behave as the fighters of the use of the idiom in their circle. To this direction a very positive and effective role can be that of the Younger of the political parties, by the judgement and coordination of the Government, when a between parties agreement will be reached.
    8. Recruitment in the Armed Forces, in Police Bodies in the public services and Organisations of employees with origins from Florina region, by exception, and their obligatory location in other areas of the country.
    9. The encouragement, by the leadership of the Army of meetings and marriages of Army officers, who are on duty, there and have origins abroad, with women that speak the idiom.



    This is massive, should go to international courts immediatley
    Makedonija vo Srce
  • Daskalot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 4345

    #2
    Nice, these document need to reach a wider audience!! This is what we all have accomplished by our presence on the internet! Bravo to all of us!!
    Macedonian Truth Organisation

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    • Risto the Great
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 15658

      #3
      Volk, this document enraged me the first time we were exposed to it. Thanks for the reminder ... I won't sleep tonight!

      Why was I enraged? Not because we were not aware of these agendas. But because it was so insidious and deeply entrenched in all political machinations of Greece. Whether any Greek feels inclined to refute its existence, the facts are clear, all of these actions have been attempted. I can talk about all of these in significant detail, but will look at the following:
      Marking in each village of persons who due to their kin bounds and their personality influence a large circle of co-villagers and with any means (even with money payments) get close to them and use them properly so they will behave as the fighters of the use of the idiom in their circle. To this direction a very positive and effective role can be that of the Younger of the political parties, by the judgement and coordination of the Government, when a between parties agreement will be reached.
      Money payments exist to this very day. I have a relative in receipt of money payments. Whilst committed to the Hellenic dreamtime, he is not a perfect solution. He still represents much of what still needs to be eradicated for Greece to achieve its aims. Nevertheless, the influence is overwhelming and a slap in the face to independent thought.
      Risto the Great
      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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      • Traveller
        Banned
        • Sep 2008
        • 177

        #4
        The translation is a "translation"...

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        • Risto the Great
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 15658

          #5
          Traveller, I really am not sure what you are trying to say.
          If you believe the translations are incorrect, please provide a more Greek friendly version.
          Risto the Great
          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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          • Dejan
            Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 589

            #6
            There is no denying how the athenian republic treated the Macedonians anymore.
            You want Macedonia? Come and take it from my blood!

            A prosperous, independent and free Macedonia for Macedonians will be the ultimate revenge to our enemies.

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            • Spartan
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 1037

              #7
              Finally! A "legitimate" Greek document!!

              Sorry guys, I couldnt help myself
              I meant it only as a joke

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                #8
                Spartan, feel free to query the legitimacy. Particularly if you have facts proving otherwise.
                But how do you feel about the actions Greece has taken in this regard? How closely have they mirrored the intent of that document? If indeed you are from the Spartan geographical region of Greece, you might not be aware of these machinations.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • osiris
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1969

                  #9
                  hey my masos even if alexander of macedon was to magically appear and confirm our side of the story, most of the wannbe greeks on here would dispute his account.

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                  • Pelister
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 2742

                    #10
                    The provenance of the document has been checked, through its author, and is not in dispute.

                    It's content is not in dispute.

                    I understand some New Greeks on this forum have problems with the "translation" of the document. There may well be a few words that could be replaced by something more appropriate, but I don't think that is going to change the document in any significant way.

                    It's message reamins the same i.e., the extermination of the Macedonian people.

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                    • Risto the Great
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 15658

                      #11
                      Honestly, I could talk about the "translation" forever.
                      But in essence, I feel that any shortcomings in the translation are more to do with the Greek mentality and imagery within their own language syntax than any misleading interpretations.
                      Risto the Great
                      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                      • Spartan
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1037

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                        Spartan, feel free to query the legitimacy. Particularly if you have facts proving otherwise.
                        But how do you feel about the actions Greece has taken in this regard? How closely have they mirrored the intent of that document? If indeed you are from the Spartan geographical region of Greece, you might not be aware of these machinations.
                        I am not in any way questioning the legitimacy of this document. I was simply making a joke , maybe it was in poor taste- my sincerest apologies.
                        Its just, that after reading these forums for so long, I have seen a million Greek documents posted , and all of them(except this one), have had their credibility questioned or outright disregarded.
                        The translation, I must admit, is pretty much spot-on, I have no complaints there.
                        You are right about where I'm from however. Its not a big issue amongst the people down here who the "real" Macedonians are( I just have a personal interest), thus not many reports about the politics and whats going on in the geographical region of Macedonia which you call home.
                        Last edited by Spartan; 09-10-2008, 10:25 AM.

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                        • Traveller
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 177

                          #13
                          a) the document stops just above the signature and seal. VEEEEERY SUSPICIOUS!
                          b) It says 7 suggestions and it has ...9
                          c) The word PASOK that exists in the right part is inexplicable. It is no logical in such an "official" document to write the name of a party. Why would you do that?
                          I'll come up with the EXACT translation later.

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                          • Risto the Great
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15658

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Spartan View Post
                            I am not in any way questioning the legitimacy of this document. I was simply making a joke , maybe it was in poor taste- my sincerest apologies.
                            Its just, that after reading these forums for so long, I have seen a million Greek documents posted , and all of them(except this one), have had their credibility questioned or outright disregarded.
                            The translation, I must admit, is pretty much spot-on, I have no complaints there.
                            You are right about where I'm from however. Its not a big issue amongst the people down here who the "real" Macedonians are( I just have a personal interest), thus not many reports about the politics and whats going on in the geographical region of Macedonia which you call home.
                            Thanks for the response.
                            It may not be legitimate, I don't know.
                            But the actions are very real and I was wondering how you felt about them. I figured since you were here on a Macedonian forum that you might have something to say about this.
                            Risto the Great
                            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                            • Traveller
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 177

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Spartan View Post
                              I am not in any way questioning the legitimacy of this document. I was simply making a joke , maybe it was in poor taste- my sincerest apologies.
                              Its just, that after reading these forums for so long, I have seen a million Greek documents posted , and all of them(except this one), have had their credibility questioned or outright disregarded.
                              The translation, I must admit, is pretty much spot-on, I have no complaints there.
                              You are right about where I'm from however. Its not a big issue amongst the people down here who the "real" Macedonians are( I just have a personal interest), thus not many reports about the politics and whats going on in the geographical region of Macedonia which you call home.
                              The people "down there" are about 30,000 who vote for Karamanlis and the king (in the past decades) about 60%. Something is wrong with you, you are not very persuasive in being Greek...

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