United Macedonia Diaspora

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Buktop, I think our conversation ends here. Unless you read my post carefully and understand it - particularly in relation how the constitution relates to the Parliament and Executive Government - both are covered by the constitution. This will stop you from asking questions I've already answered.

Why haven't they reclaimed the 'powers'? Probably because they listen to the likes of people like you.

You call a rant about constitutional mandate an answer? You haven't even quoted the relevant constitutional articles.

You are a master of evasion, I have to hand it to you. I don't understand Vangelovski, why is it so hard for someone like you to answer 3 simple questions?



In a republican government who votes for Parliamentarians? Why do they vote for Parliamentarians? What is the Parliament for?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Buktop, do you think the presidency of the UMD should be subject to vote or not?

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

To prove your point. Is that too much to ask, or is the habit of making hit n' run statements the new trend for some of you apologists?

ok doing research, just for you..

here is one:

http://www.mhrmi.org/news/2007/november09_e.asp

'A call for the partition of at least two other Balkan states (the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria) by a leader of the Greek Orthodox Church is simply unacceptable and, moreover, is inconsistent with the Greece’s confirmation of the “common existing frontier as an enduring and inviolable international border” under the terms of the 1995 Interim Accord between Greece and the Republic of Macedonia.'

under Vangelovski's logic MHRMI is also in support of the interim accord, as they are legitimising it in this statement.

here is another:

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/266/45/

oh no, again referral to the interim accord.

AMHRC and MHRMI wrote to professor miller and referring to the interim accord, they are legitimising it and de factor support it

here http://macedonianhr.org.au/reslib/do...1622656750.pdf - page 24

omg now this is blasphemy, this is outrageous!!!! the worst one yet, actually this one is no where near what UMD, MHRMI, or AMHRC state...

and this is on the vinozito website

http://www.florina.org/news/1997/1997_popova_shapka.asp

'the association demands The UN, the Council of Europe and the OSCE to request from the Republic of Greece to respect and implement completely the signed Interim Accord between the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of Greece, as well as all conventions on human rights and freedom.'

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Rogi

TajnataKniga,

Every single Macedonian organization in Australia opposes, without question, the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement.

List 1 that supports these Agreements, in any direct or indirect manner, and I will show you proof beyond all doubt that they do not.

In fact, if you find me one such Macedonian organisation in Australia, I will call them immediately and seek an official clarification.


NB: This also includes the Australian arm of UMD who also oppose (and always have, without wavering in the slightest) the accord and agreement, without reserve.

rogi, amhrc in the letter to professor miller, call them up and tell me what they say. their partners mhrmi in a statement with umd before nato.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

Oh boy I mean I like reading conspiracy theories and about secret societies like Skull and Bones and the Bilderberg Group but this attack is just getting out of hand. Pelister with all this energy on attacking UMD you could have used it to attack our real enemies South of Macedonia. And the ghost of x-mas past Vangelovski pops in to add his 2 pence and now UMD are tools of Western powers? What a waste of a topic and I feel sorry for those of you who are sucked in on this sham.

Yep....This is all so sad.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Indeed. I think we are also doing a service to Macedonia and the Macedonian people by clarifying the true intent of any organisation that claims to represent the Macedonian Diaspora. Yet here we are, being attacked for trying to make people accountable for their own words, god forbid.

SoM, I truly understand where your criticism's come from, and I agree with almost all of your suggestions in regards to the UMD dispute, but just read some of the posts made by Pelister, Vangelovski and Phoenix. They are outright assault's with no intention of being constructive. You yourself have called on Pelister several times to provide proof of his allegations and yet he has not, Rogi has addressed Pelisters accusations ad-nauseum.

Simply because I support the actions UMD have taken to help Macedonians and Macedonia I have earned the disrespect of the entire forum. I am not here to attack, but to try and draw attention to the huge misconceptions that seem to be flying around, and I am here to offer a different opinion when concerning UMD.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Buktop, do you think the presidency of the UMD should be subject to vote or not?

Yes

and as stated recently by UMD

Prior to 2008, UMD had a committee of founders and volunteers/activists. UMD's Bylaws were approved on February 16, 2008 with your consent. UMD's bylaws, which came into effect on February 16, 2008, states that members of the Board are to be elected to serve a period of three years. Members of the Board shall be elected by voting members of the organization. Executive Officers are elected by the Board. UMD will hold its first elections for Board of Directors in 2011. Only members of UMD in good standing will be considered voting members and thus will be able to vote in 2011.

Just goes to show you the many misconceptions that exist on the forum.

Oh and I wonder why Vangelovski neglected to mention any of this?

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

Oh boy I mean I like reading conspiracy theories and about secret societies like Skull and Bones and the Bilderberg Group but this attack is just getting out of hand. Pelister with all this energy on attacking UMD you could have used it to attack our real enemies South of Macedonia. And the ghost of x-mas past Vangelovski pops in to add his 2 pence and now UMD are tools of Western powers? What a waste of a topic and I feel sorry for those of you who are sucked in on this sham.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

Oh boy I mean I like reading conspiracy theories and about secret societies like Skull and Bones and the Bilderberg Group but this attack is just getting out of hand. Pelister with all this energy on attacking UMD you could have used it to attack our real enemies South of Macedonia. And the ghost of x-mas past Vangelovski pops in to add his 2 pence and now UMD are tools of Western powers? What a waste of a topic and I feel sorry for those of you who are sucked in on this sham.

adding my stamp of approval too.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by TajnataKniga

AMHRC and MHRMI wrote to professor miller and referring to the interim accord, they are legitimising it and de factor support it

here http://macedonianhr.org.au/reslib/do...1622656750.pdf - page 24

omg now this is blasphemy, this is outrageous!!!! the worst one yet, actually this one is no where near what UMD, MHRMI, or AMHRC state...

I actually read page 24, it said the following:

The fact of the matter which Professor Miller wilfully ignores is that under the Interim Accord of 13 September 1995 signed by the foreign ministers of Greece and Macedonia, both sides confirmed their existing frontiers as an enduring and inviolable international border. They also agreed that they would not support the action of a third party directed against the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of the other party. They agreed to refrain from the threat or use of force, including the threat or use of force designed to violate their existing frontiers, and they agreed that neither party would assert or support claims to any part of the territory of the other, or claims for a change of their existing frontier.

This does not actually suggest the AMHRC support the Accord. It does point out something both Governments had (apparently) signed up to.

TK, you are working very hard here to point fingers. From another thread you say you are happy with prefixes (or was it suffixes). You, my dear Macedonian, are in the minority. Whilst I still regard you as a Macedonian, you are as useful to Macedonians as a Greek, Bulgar or Serbian typically is.