United Macedonia Diaspora

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Bill77

The main problem i see fatso is, There are many here that are discruntled with Meto and directed towards him but we have others talking on his behalf. I am sure if he came out and answered him self, it will blow away sooner than later. But i also am ignorant to what is going on.

did anyone call up meto? not umd, meto? im sure this 'huge' misunderstanding 'may' be cleared. or is it in the interest of some for the 'huge' misunderstanding not to be cleared?

isnt meto coming to australia? does anyone plan to meet him and confront him about his 'traitor' statements?

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

The additional problematic layer here is that Meto has already provided his answers in response to the questions of why he suggested name changes for Macedonia - And he has denied they ever took place.

That, in my opinion, is the biggest problem of all. If a person cannot be honest with themselves, how are they going to be honest with the people they apparently represent?

do you have a source?

[Soldier of Macedon]

A source for what bre, you've been following the conversation over the last week, what exactly do you need a source for, the fact that he made the statements, or the fact that he denied the statements?

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

A source for what bre, you've been following the conversation over the last week, what exactly do you need a source for, the fact that he made the statements, or the fact that he denied the statements?

where? sorry i didnt read all 10 pages of all 10 threads devoted to UMD and meto on this forum. ive better things to do.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Yeah I know, like celebrating your new identity, Yahoo!

[Jankovska]

If you haven't read them, why are you getting invloved?

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Rogi

TajnataKniga,

I have read the AMHRC response to Prof. Miller quite thoroughly, and many times. What you quoted, and very much out of context, is a statement of fact and does not read as an endorsement.

I have also followed the actions of the AMHRC for a very long time and they have consistently remained the most pro-active organisation against the Interim Accord and in support of the Macedonian cause (on the definition we all agree on), with many actions including the one state above by Grotius.

Now, it must be said, in a similar manner to what TajnataKniga has done above, a great many, albeit not all, of the UMD press releases and statements have also been taken out of context.

That said, there seems to be a growing 'mob' mentality against UMD and so the actual meaning behind some of UMD's statements is ignored, despite some being similar statements of fact.

glad someone gets it. i think the letter by AMHRC was SUPER! nobody couldve done a better job. but its the last two points you made rogi that get on my nerve. it is someones blind hatred for UMD that doesnt let them get beyond what really is happening. almost all macedonian organisations have used the breaking of the 'interim accord' by grease as an excuse to show that the 'interim accord' in virtuality and reality is null and void as vangelovski said.

i think all can work together, MTO has brought a lot to the table for the macedonian cause and the greater picture should not be jeopardized because of an assumption without clarification.

[Soldier of Macedon]

He has read them Jankovska, I gave him the link and summary of the ZMR interview, he saw no compromise in Meto's suggestion of acceptance for (1) 'democratic' in the UN, a (2) bilateral name for Greece, and the (3) constitutional name for everything else.

Perhaps the UMD can start carrying 3 name-plates to all of their meetings, in case they have to switch when a delegate from the UN or Greece walks in the door.

Read the thread regarding the Greek lobby in the US which this individual created, he applauds his new identity as a 'democratic Macedonian'.

[Prolet]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

prolet, whats with your hard-on for croatia...i've noticed this in many posts of yours.

croatia's victory over the serbs didn't have as much to do with their diaspora as you would like to believe, croatia's victory was based on the support it received from the US military...the US was the reason for their victory in the same way the US was the reason for our 'defeat' at the hands of the shiptari

the croats have exactly the same crooks in government as the Macedonians do, most of the diaspora money went into the pockets of the officials, many croats got fucked over and in many ways they're far more naive than the Macedonians but they too have learnt the hard way and you will never see them throwing money at the croatian state like they did in the past

I dont understand why you can't stick to one train of thought...you know exactly where I stand on this UMD thing because you were there on that first thread on Maknews agreeing with what I was saying and now you're chopping and changing...

prolet, in 2001 Macedonia didn't need cannon fodder from the diaspora, it just needed access to arms and the political will to wipe out the insurgency which it was more than capable of doing as the battle for Aracinovo clearly showed. Instead every avenue for Macedonia's access to weapons was blocked, every action undertaken by Macedonia's forces was with its hands tied.

Phoenix, Whats with all the Anti-Croatian Posts?? The Serbs and Greeks can be mates why cant we be friends with the Croats?? Im not disputing that some of the money didnt end up into the pockets of their politicians you should have seen what happened when Franjo Tudjman was here, people gave him $100 for baci raka i recon he raked in thousands at the time i remember watching it on the news.

I just gave the example of how the Croatian Diaspora did for their Mother Land, i can give you an example about the Jews and Israel however its different.

Phoenix, Do you know how unequipped our army was, we still had rusty Kalashnikovs from the Yugoslav days, we had Macedonian Businessmen in Stari Kraj who went and purchased the Mi 24 choppers in Ukraine, we had crooks like Vlado Buchkovski filling up his pockets from purchasing tanks.

Phoenix, Dont tell me about Arachinovo my friends where there and told me first hand about what really happened, i was at the protest infront of the parliament we almost had a punch up with the security trying to get in as it was the biggest disgrace in living memory, the terrorists where lead by air conditioned buses while our people where slaughtered in Vejce and Karpalak. It was one of the biggest let downs in our history.

YouTube - Makedonija 2001 - Bitkata za aracinovo Eve ja vistinata

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by TajnataKniga

did anyone call up meto? not umd, meto? im sure this 'huge' misunderstanding 'may' be cleared. or is it in the interest of some for the 'huge' misunderstanding not to be cleared?

isnt meto coming to australia? does anyone plan to meet him and confront him about his 'traitor' statements?

well not everyone here are from Australia. And i am sure he is aware that his name is being thrown around in here, so mabe he should have defended himself personaly and make his stance on the whole issue clearly.