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Old 01-18-2010, 06:40 AM   #1521
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I never accused you of threatening me, but you never ceased to find colorful names for me.

The thing that bothers me is that Vangelovski has been exposed as a liar and a charlatan (in his own "supposed" area of study) and people still take his word as gospel.

I have no problem with you asking questions, when you listen to the answers. By all means, if your actions are made with good intentions and sincerity, I 100% support it and encourage it. But I will not stand for claims with no substance and lies perpetuated by personal agenda.
Who said that my "area of study" was constitutional law - I said that someone of average intelligence could easily do some research on it - something you have NOT done.

Charlatan, you seem to be throwing around a lot of red-herrings in an attempt to muddy the waters around the name change statements of your beloved UMD.
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:40 AM   #1522
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your quote not mine... Elections to be held 2011
That was done in 2004 - in 2008 the Board elected itself.
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:41 AM   #1523
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Why don't you answer the questions from this thread so we can see how much you "know".

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...t=2423&page=12
Charlatan,

Have you taken your theories to a law professor or a political philosopher yet? There's not point in furthering that discussion until you have a basic understanding of the key issues.
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:42 AM   #1524
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How do you interpret the Youtube link suggesting alternate names for Macedonia Buktop?
I have answered this question 100 times Risto.

Did you contact your UMD Australia representatives yet to find out about the "balance"?
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:43 AM   #1525
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What MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE.
Thats just it Charlatan, no changes are acceptable. There is no "might".
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:43 AM   #1526
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I didn't realise they were forum rules...
#1 Avoid personal attacks and disparaging remarks against other posters. You know who they have been against

#2 It is illegal to harass or threaten anyone.

#3 There will be no personal attack threads in any particular manner. This will earn deletion of topic and a warning and then a banning if it occurs again in the future.

#4 No spamming and no taking a topic off topic with spams. No spamming period. And no spamming with pictures of any nature or links that have nothing to do with anything. NO SPAMMING PERIOD!!!

If you really need me to post the relevant proof I will, but I am positive you know what I am talking about.

Even SoM has asked Paul to substantiate his claims but he has not...
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Thats just it Charlatan, no changes are acceptable. There is no "might".
Just like there is no clause in UMD bylaws that allow for elections right?

Or just like there is no article 8 of the Macedonian constitution right?
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Who said that my "area of study" was constitutional law - I said that someone of average intelligence could easily do some research on it - something you have NOT done.

Charlatan, you seem to be throwing around a lot of red-herrings in an attempt to muddy the waters around the name change statements of your beloved UMD.
You were the one alluding to your extensive knowledge of legal theories and principles... What are you saying you are not a PHD in legal theory?


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That was done in 2004 - in 2008 the Board elected itself.
in 2008 the bylaws were finalized and they specified the point at which UMD would be realistically able to hold elections.

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Have you taken your theories to a law professor or a political philosopher yet? There's not point in furthering that discussion until you have a basic understanding of the key issues.
Unlike you I don't base my analysis on legal "theory" but rather what the constitution of the Republic of Macedonia ACTUALLY states.
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Just like there is no clause in UMD bylaws that allow for elections right?

Or just like there is no article 8 of the Macedonian constitution right?
Charlatan, I never stated there is no "election clause" - I said that UMD has NEVER held an election in its 5 YEARS of existence.

Article 8? HAVE YOU TAKEN YOUR THEORIES TO A LAW PROFESSOR OR A POLITICAL PHILOSOPHER YET?

To further the discussion on your article 8, we need to establish whether a republican government has unlimited power and it is only limited in what the constitution says it can't do (YOUR view) or if a repulican government has no power (as power resides with the citizens) and can only do what the constitution specifically says it can do (MY view). I've provided numerous passages from various political philosophers, historians and a Supreme Court Judge among others that support my view. What have you provided that proved me wrong? An idiotic theory with no basis in republicanism or constitutionalism?
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Unlike you I don't base my analysis on legal "theory" but rather what the constitution of the Republic of Macedonia ACTUALLY states.
This is a quote for the ages!
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