United Macedonia Diaspora

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by julie

how many members are there in this organisation? And dont quote facebook because I have 1500 "friends " on there. My guess is 500. Worldwide.

The worldwide membership figure was revealed recently at 300 (if memory serves)

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by UMDiaspora.org

Julie - can you elaborate when UMD supported the MPO?

Don't play stupid Meto. I have reached the limit of my tolerance with liars like you who blatantly deny their own idiocy.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Currency Trader

I asked you three simple questions, and you decided to dodge all three of them.

I'll repeat them again:


1. My objectivity and rationale decided to support AMHRC campaign.
Do you have a problem with that? (yes or no)

2. Do you think that an organisation/government/dog club/investment group (regardless of mission) will always do/say the right thing and fulfill every member or non-member wishes? (yes or no)

3. Do think its possible for individuals to objectively judge each separate action that an organisation does? (yes or no)


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Yes, it has all been clear with me as to why UMD did not officially support the campaign - I got my answers and that's what matters for me.

Its irrelevant whether someone agrees with me or not when I question certain arguments in this thread. I'm not dependent on others to agree with me, are you?

Aren't you advocating constructive discussions where different set of opinions are welcomed, or are you advocating some totalitarian way of style where everyone must have the same opinion?

Again, if you wish to take a constructive debate of the difference between an "advocate" and someone who uses "objectivity", let me know.



Regards,
CT


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Oh please, like I need to 'dodge' your questions, your rationale to support the AMHRC and your acceptance that all has 'been cleared' from the UMD's side doesn't correlate, but then again, why should it, all of you UMD apologists are fumbling and contradicting characters. Regarding your second question, what's your point? Are you saying all UMD members should expect to be let down by the UMD itself? What exactly are the wishes of those members and why weren't the UMD able to fulfil them? Why is it that every UMD apologist like yourself, Buktop and the small handful of morons that have visited the MTO seem to know exactly why and how the UMD operate? Your third question is irrelevant, because that should be the norm for every situation, and not just when you see it fit.

I advocate for everything that is in the best interests of Macedonia and the Macedonian people. The UMD have shown themselves to be against such views time and again. I am not interested in self-glorified press statements. I couldn't give a shit if Meto sent you a few 'feel-good' PM's to have another sheep convinced that all has 'been cleared'. You can express whatever view you like, but your current one is the wrong one, and you will be reminded of this fact each time somebody posts here. Again, has it clicked in your head why everybody is saying and thinking the opposite to yourself?

By the way, how did Meto convince you that all has 'been cleared'?

[Currency Trader]

CT wrote:

2. Do you think that an organisation/government/dog club/investment group (regardless of mission) will always do/say the right thing and fulfill every member or non-member wishes? (yes or no)

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Yes, except where there is a systematic history of actions that go against a normal Macedonian's belief system. Which applies in this case.

I would disagree - Governments, organisations (regardless of their mission) will most likely never fulfill every member and non-members wishes, or do what they say. A case in point is the Macedonian government and past governments.

"Normal" Macedonian's belief system?
Would you care to expand on what constitutes a "normal Macedonian belief system"?

History is filled with divisions among Macedonians. Be it in Rep. of Macedonia or diaspora Macedonians. If there were something as "normal", then divisions would hardly exist. Or do you have something else in-mind?



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[Currency Trader]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

How about we start with the cause as defined by the MTO?

Yes, go ahead.
Besides being an internet webforum, what kind of work does MTO do in comparison to other Macedonian diaspora organisations, and what influence does MTO have? Perhaps this can be discussed in another thread.


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[Currency Trader]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

The worldwide membership figure was revealed recently at 300 (if memory serves)

Is this the UMD worldwide membership. If so, how accurate is this number and how many sources can confirm this?

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Currency Trader

CT wrote:
I would disagree - Governments, organisations (regardless of their mission) will most likely never fulfill every member and non-members wishes, or do what they say. A case in point is the Macedonian government and past governments.

"Normal" Macedonian's belief system?
Would you care to expand on what constitutes a "normal Macedonian belief system"?

History is filled with divisions among Macedonians. Be it in Rep. of Macedonia or diaspora Macedonians. If there were something as "normal", then divisions would hardly exist. Or do you have something else in-mind?-

Are you absolutely comfortable making the comparison between a government and UMD? Is everything alright back home mate?

Call me crazy but "normal" Macedonians have not advocated a name change publicly then pretend they never said it.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Currency Trader

If the assumption is that UMD has less of a following in Australia, then there could be more risk if they listed other organisations.

No, the fact is that the UMD has a miniscule following in comparison to key stakeholder communities. If you feel that it has a following, then it is because of what it does on the internet. And the MTO does it better.

Thanks for agreeing that they did indeed take the path of less risk.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Currency Trader

Is this the UMD worldwide membership. If so, how accurate is this number and how many sources can confirm this?

Ask them and see how candid their response will be.

[BigMak]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Don't play stupid Meto. I have reached the limit of my tolerance with liars like you who blatantly deny their own idiocy.

Yes I agree what a ridiculous immature response from meto.