Kalash / Hunza tribes & the Burushaski Language

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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    #46
    Originally posted by Agamoi Thytai View Post
    I know you would claim he was on the Greek payroll,but Kalash claimed Greek origin long before Macedonia became independent (I think you undesrtand my point here) and any Greek volunteers or Greek aid reached their country:
    They claim descent from Alexander's army, who were overwhelmingly Macedonian, and not Greek. If they have preserved some customs or stories that were left over by the soldiers, writers, engineers, architects, etc, good luck to them. To try and paint them with an 'ethnic Greek' brush is wierd to everybody aside from yourself.

    I am still waiting for you to corroborate your earlier statement, where you claimed that Greeks are building schools to teach the Kalash in their own language and not Greek.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • Bill77
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 4545

      #47
      Originally posted by Agamoi Thytai View Post
      However the Kalash teacher when asked "Do you believe you have Greek origin" he answers "History says so".
      Shit....... if Grigorov can can distance him self from the ancient Macedonians and virtually hand history to greece, all because of a few Euro's, these poor isolated people would have no problem dancing the zorba for money or any other spoils.
      http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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      • fyrOM
        Banned
        • Feb 2010
        • 2180

        #48
        Is it really an either or situation…didn’t Alexander have any Greek soldiers with him as well as his Macedonian soldiers. Further to the mix some afghan and Pakistan.

        What is difficult to accept is the modern Greeks forcing their modern version of Greek on to them for political gain.

        Being of mixed marriage and separated by a couple of millennia it is not unusual that they would see their own identity first. Have you not seen Vietnamese kids born to white and black usa soldiers not being accepted by the Vietnamese. If these kids then could have lived in some isolated part separate from the main Vietnamese community would they not feel a sense of self identity after 2 millennia or would you expect them to be American.


        2.13 kalash kafirs literally translated to black infidels
        hahaha Macedonian word for dark person kalesh
        Why would they be the dark person…imagine a white person
        marries a dark person natural biology is that the children will
        be predominantly dark…kalesh


        4.05 oral culture nothing written down
        How many times have you heard Greeks say if there was a Macedonian
        culture different to Greek how come there is nothing written or carved
        to show for it…write what no written alphabet.
        If they are of Greek decent with Greek language and alphabet already
        Established at this time would you not expect anything written
        Or carved out in stone in Greek.

        5-13 ionic style but also kalash style of the new building by the Greek volunteer.
        What a claim…see 7.50 where the kalash man says it is not the kalash way but when someone is giving you for free something you need.


        5.50 Verginia star seen in Greek museum
        With the Greek occupation of Macedonia I would expect things dug up would be put in a Greek museum but the inference then that it is Greek has no substantiation.


        6.27 kalsh love of wine
        Despite Christianity many pre-Christian rituals
        exist under a now Christian banner.
        The rites of the vine even now have their own saint
        Sveti Trifun.
        Did someone on the video say love wine.


        7.50 building in their own way and not kalsh way its not fair.

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        • fyrOM
          Banned
          • Feb 2010
          • 2180

          #49
          Originally posted by OziMak View Post


          2.13 in the video kalash kafirs literally translated to black infidels
          hahaha Macedonian word for dark person kalesh
          Why would they be the dark person…imagine a white person
          marries a dark person natural biology is that the children will
          be predominantly dark…kalesh


          4.05 oral culture nothing written down
          How many times have you heard Greeks say if there was a Macedonian
          culture different to Greek how come there is nothing written or carved
          to show for it…write what no written alphabet.
          If they are of Greek decent with Greek language and alphabet already
          Established at this time would you not expect anything written
          Or carved out in stone in Greek.

          just wanted to highlight these two points

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          • makedonche
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 3242

            #50
            Agamoi Thytai

            i would appreciate an answer to my previous questions, here they are again in case you missed them:-
            AT
            Quote:-
            "And i don't find it weird that the Greek government aids these people founding schools (in their own language,not in Greek as you said),"

            Were you aware that the Greek philanthropists insited on Ionic(Greek) colums as the facade on these schools' buildings? Don't you find that wierd? If you were building schools in a foreign country and expecting the local population to attend these schools wouldn't you build them in an architectual style reflecting the local character?
            On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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            • Burushaskiresearch
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 3

              #51
              Similarities between Burushaski & Macedonian Language

              Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
              Salam. I will check the videos.

              From what i know about your (if you are member of the Hunza or the Kalash people), history, it is best to make list of your "arhaic" words, words that the older people know and used it, couse i am very sure, many "Pakistani" words entered your language in the last ~ 30-40 years.

              Greetings / Regards
              Most of the words in these videos are commonly used by both old and young in Hunza in daily Burushaski speaking.

              I will be thankful to you response


              Regard = JuuMar

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13670

                #52
                Burushaskiresearch, are you a Hunza or Macedonian? Can't you post a list of words for body parts, foods, tools, etc in Burushaski so we can compare?

                What is your opinion on the Burushaski-Macedonian words that were cited on this thread? Are they credible?
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • George S.
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10116

                  #53
                  the greeks visiting the kaleshi or hunza people is nothing more than to make them abandon their normal language & for them to adopt the greek language so that the greeks can say that they are greek.But the people have allready said they are not greek but macedonian.
                  So agamoi & others who think they can ofload themselves to these people & brainwash them into thinking they are greek.We are onto you allready.We know what your stupid government is upto.
                  "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                  GOTSE DELCEV

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                  • The LION will ROAR
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 3231

                    #54
                    Burushaskiresearch are these words/Meanings correct..?

                    ENGLISH / BURUSHI / MACEDONIAN
                    HAND / SHAKA / SHAKA
                    Arm / RAKA / RAKA
                    Thunder / GROM / GROM
                    Raining / VRNE / VRNE
                    Looking / GLEDA / GLEDA
                    sit(down) / SEDI / SEDI
                    Drink / PIE / PIE
                    Beautiful /UBAVA / UBAVA

                    Those are just few of the words that are jointly used by the Burushi and Kalash people
                    The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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                    • The LION will ROAR
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 3231

                      #55
                      The pictures from below, are pieces of the Kalash folklore...You know the Kalash tribe in Pakistan that claim connection with the ancient Macedonians...





                      And look down now, the same vortex is represented in the Macedonian folklore! Coincidence???






                      Note: The wooden case is from the 17th century and it is stationed in the Macedonian ethno museum, and the stone is found in Osinchani, near Skopje. Dates somewhere 4th century BC.
                      The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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                      • The LION will ROAR
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3231

                        #56
                        That Greek Man in the Youtube link that Quote: "All of these symbols I have seen in the Greek Museums"

                        SO DOES THE BRITISH MUSEUMS, BUT WE HAVE THEM ON OUR BUILDINGS, CHURCHES, FURNITURE, CLOTHING, ORNAMENTS / JEWELLERY AND SO ON...
                        WHY CAN'T YOU FIND THIS IN GREECE..?
                        The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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                        • Burushaskiresearch
                          Junior Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 3

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                          Burushaskiresearch, are you a Hunza or Macedonian? Can't you post a list of words for body parts, foods, tools, etc in Burushaski so we can compare?

                          What is your opinion on the Burushaski-Macedonian words that were cited on this thread? Are they credible?
                          Burusho Birkis is a comprehensive burushaski book Listed animals, birds , vegetables, fruits, tools , parts of body etc
                          Plz gothough this book :

                          Burusho Birkis : By Allama Nasir uddin Nasir Hunzai http://www.burushaskiresearchacademy.org Basic Burushaski grammar, vocabulary & phonetics

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                          • Frank
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 687

                            #58
                            The word drink yet another

                            drink / piJat / piJat

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                            • Frank
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 687

                              #59
                              YouTube - Macedonians-Decendents from Alexander the Great

                              Macedonians-Decendents from Alexander the Great

                              In parts

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