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Old 01-28-2023, 03:29 AM   #31
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If someone asked when Macedonian became an alphabet. Would 1945 be the correct answer when the alphabet was codified or 9th century AD when the Cyrillic alphabet was created by the Macedonian Saints Naum and Clement as a simplified form of Glagolitic?
Broadly speaking, it is the 9th century, because the modern Macedonian language descends from the spoken language in medieval Macedonia that served as the basis for the creation of both the Glagolitic and Cyrillic alphabets. All those that followed, including Russian, Serbian, Bulgarian, etc. are merely simplified versions of the latter and were standardised at different times. The codification of the modern Macedonian alphabet in 1945 coincides with the first time in modern history that Macedonian statehood was officially acknowledged (albeit within the confines of a federal Yugoslavia). However, prior to that development, Macedonian dialects were, continuously if not always regularly, written in one form of Cyrillic or another for over 1,000 years. Peel back the layers of history and the roads of all modern Cyrillic alphabets lead back to the scholars from 9th century Macedonia.

On a side note, Bulgaria, which, in 1878, gained de facto independence from the Ottoman Empire following the Russian intervention they conveniently attempt to downplay nowadays (despite their largest cathedral in Sofia being named after a Russian ruler from the 13th century as a homage to the people who actually created Bulgaria), was still making adjustments to its alphabet in 1945. Moreover, aside from an abundance of Russian loanwords, they also use the letter я, which is a Russian mutation of the old Cyrillic letters ꙗ and ѧ. That does not justify some perceived imperfections in the modern Macedonian alphabet, but it does highlight the hypocritical absurdity of certain Bulgars who harp on about the incomparable yet supposedly "heavy" Serbian influence during the development of the modern literary language and orthography of Macedonia.
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Old 01-29-2023, 12:39 AM   #32
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Broadly speaking, it is the 9th century, because the modern Macedonian language descends from the spoken language in medieval Macedonia that served as the basis for the creation of both the Glagolitic and Cyrillic alphabets. All those that followed, including Russian, Serbian, Bulgarian, etc. are merely simplified versions of the latter and were standardised at different times. The codification of the modern Macedonian alphabet in 1945 coincides with the first time in modern history that Macedonian statehood was officially acknowledged (albeit within the confines of a federal Yugoslavia). However, prior to that development, Macedonian dialects were, continuously if not always regularly, written in one form of Cyrillic or another for over 1,000 years. Peel back the layers of history and the roads of all modern Cyrillic alphabets lead back to the scholars from 9th century Macedonia.

On a side note, Bulgaria, which, in 1878, gained de facto independence from the Ottoman Empire following the Russian intervention they conveniently attempt to downplay nowadays (despite their largest cathedral in Sofia being named after a Russian ruler from the 13th century as a homage to the people who actually created Bulgaria), was still making adjustments to its alphabet in 1945. Moreover, aside from an abundance of Russian loanwords, they also use the letter я, which is a Russian mutation of the old Cyrillic letters ꙗ and ѧ. That does not justify some perceived imperfections in the modern Macedonian alphabet, but it does highlight the hypocritical absurdity of certain Bulgars who harp on about the incomparable yet supposedly "heavy" Serbian influence during the development of the modern literary language and orthography of Macedonia.
Totally agree with all of the above SoM.
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