What is modern "Hellenism" and "Hellenic" culture?

[Royal Hellas]

Now tell me who the Gentiles were?

[makedonin]

So the Hebrews are now Hellenes? Is that right makedonin?

You are the same as ths mbouras or what ever.

Have you read what the quote sais?? I bet no!

The Term Hellene in New Testament was rather Religious Term for the Hebrews and Paul have used Term-Hellene to designate Hebrews-by-Religion.

you may still play dumb though, it is fine by me.

[Royal Hellas]

That last post of yours makedonin is difficult to decipher. Try again.

[makedonin]

That last post of yours makedonin is difficult to decipher. Try again.

yeah right, I would gladly chew it for you so you can turn the blind eye again.

buzz off, you aint here to read and learn, raher to destruct.

try again later, you may succeed

[osiris]

royal shut up will you, you are not relevant to the human rights debate and neither are your questions about ancient biblical history.

[Soldier of Macedon]

How funny is this, a thread about what "Hellenism" is has been deflected to a conversation about the Bible, LOOOLLLLL.

What a poor and undecated soul you are RH

[Risto the Great]

Yeah, I have really found the humour in this too.

[Royal Hellas]

How funny is this, a thread about what "Hellenism" is has been deflected to a conversation about the Bible, LOOOLLLLL.

What a poor and undecated soul you are RH

What is undecated?

[osiris]

the origins of modern hellenism are recent and germanic.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3659/49/

Johann Gustav Droysen, creator of Greece's Fake History

Perhaps it was convenient that German created Greece's history. Only the Germans at the time understood how powerful history was, especially if you twisted, invented and fake it.

People hear “Hellenistic this, Hellenistic that” all the time, envisioning in their mind something very ‘old’, ancient if you will.
If you envisioned something old, you‘d be right, because it goes back to 1833. If you envisioned something ancient, sorry to disappoint you.

What happened in 1833? Greece had just gained its independence from the Ottoman Empire. To be more precise it was given to her by France and Britain.
In return, Greece received a French appointed German ruler, Prince Otto.

Otto was a freshly arrived hit in Greece. He loved the ethnic soup there, though he grew a bit concern as to how he would rule this people.

His biggest concern was Athens, where the Albanians and Turkish dominated.
Prince Otto phoned his twenty seven (27) year old friend Johann Gustav Droysen at Friedrich Wilhelm University. The student turned part time teacher was such an authority on his subject “History” that he was a privatdozent and then a professor (appointed by Otto) without a salary.

Even Prince Otto didn’t think he was good enough to have a salary. Granted, friendship can sometimes go far, as in this case. Johann was hired by Greece’s ruler to create the “new history” for Greece, to unite the populace, give him an idea of a ‘language’ in such a way that the populations wouldn’t be in a conflict.
Johann Gustav had recommended Albanian as the core language of Greece because it dominated Athens. This idea didn’t go well with Prince Otto who explained that people in and outside of Athens spoke Turkish as well. Besides, the idea was to unite the populations.

Johann’s showed his cleverness by suggesting to adopt the long lost Koine language. Imagine Americans today adopting what is now considered the dying Latin language.

Prince Otto loved Johann's idea and it was set in stone. Koine was the language. Better yet, the language was called “Greek”, the German born Greek ruler decided.

Little it was known that Otto’s friend and “history” professor Johann Gustav had transferred to yet another University, this time at Kiel, where once again was not able to get a salary. Shortly afterwards he made a decision to move into Politics! You’d think History would have worked out for him.

We are not done with Greece and Johann Gustav Droysen. Once the Koine language was introduced, Johan decided to further help Prince Otto in uniting the ethnic soup in Greece.

Hellenism.

This word was coined by none other, but our remarkable History Professor turned Politician Johann Gustav in 1836.

I understand few of you are disappointed because this term doesn’t go back in ancient time as some believe. 1836 is the year, the word Hellenism was first coined. Not a minute before that. When you consider who created the word, any comment can be superfluous.

By all means, Johann did his job, he was tasked to ’unite’, not to divide. Yes, he went perhaps a bit too far with the Hellenism phrase, not to mentioned calling Koine 'Greek'.

I suggest to Macedonians to adopt the Hebrew language and call it "Macedonian", that way anything they find written in Hebrew, can claim as being Macedonian. Easy enough, if you follow "Greek logic".

Perhaps, I’d accept the term “Hellenistic” to describe something that happened in Athens, though I don’t know what that would be, still, the term "Macedonistic" period should, and ought to be, used to cover any other historical references.

There is no denying that the period from Alexander the Great until well into the Roman time deals with Macedonian Dynasties, their rule, succession and their eventual interaction, or lack there of with the indigenous local populations throughout the Balkan Peninsula, Asia and Egypt.
The term "Hellenistic” can hardly do any justice to historical scholarship since its coverage/domain leaves a huge section of history barely touched. Hellenism, the term Johann Gustav Droysen gave to this era, is such a narrow cultural belt of history that its usage is not only misleading and inappropriate but it very much distorts and minimizes the greatness of the ancient Macedonians.

Perhaps the Athenian contribution, from a cultural point of view, may be argued to have occupied a place of some importance in the administrative sector of the empire, the organizational, the military and the structural components of the Macedonian Empire must have been obtained, delivered and maintained strictly from Macedonian resources and for Macedonian interests.
The concept of an empire, an esoteric notion for the Athenians, was born with the first few initial successes of Alexander, and its meaning, magnitude, scope and structure grew as the string of victories and the success on the battlefields allowed Alexander to enlarge, coordinate and control huge land areas in Asia and Egypt. For almost 3 centuries after Alexander, it was his successors that carried the symbols and the name of the Macedonian Empire.

Thus, the very narrow strip of "Hellenism" that comes, as a residue, attached to the period in question, cannot, in any meaningful way, embrace and encompass the scope and the magnitude of an empire that was built, organized and maintained on the strength and the efficiency of the Macedonian army.
If Johann would be alive today to see what his fake history and the god-father style of creating Greece has caused, I am certain he would have broken off his friendship to Prince Otto.

Marina Sazdovska

[Royal Hellas]

The term Hellenistic was derived from Ἕλλην Héllēn, the Greeks' traditional self-described ethnic name. It was established by the German historian Johann Gustav Droysen to refer to the spreading of Greek culture and colonization over the non-Greek lands that were conquered by Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_civilization

[osiris]

Now tell me who the Gentiles were?

would you like names and addresses too prince arvaniti.

[Royal Hellas]

Osiris, with reference to your copy/paste article from Marina Sazdovska, are you trying to suggest that you are somehow associated to the Macedonians that spread Hellenic culture as quoted by Johann Gustav?

[osiris]

hellas thats the problem with you guys always reverting back to ancient history. if an arvaniti prince like you can claim to be heir to the ancient hellenes the sky is the limit.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The term Hellenistic was derived from Ἕλλην Héllēn, the Greeks' traditional self-described ethnic name. It was established by the German historian Johann Gustav Droysen to refer to the spreading of Greek culture and colonization over the non-Greek lands that were conquered by Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_civilization

Show me where any commoners have traditionally self-described themselves as ethinc Hellenes from the time of Christ to the 1800's.

Where is the tradition, in the bouzouki club across the street? Don't be a moron.

[Bratot]

WHAT "GREEK" IDENTITY?

1. The BAVARIAN blue and white colours as their national flag?

2.The ALBANIAL FOUSTANELLA as their national costume?

3.The BOUZOUK as their national instrument?

4.Turkish dance as their national ZEMBEKIKO?

5.Turkish sweets as their national ones: BAKLAVA,HALVA,LOUKOUMIA?

6.Turkish coffee as their national drink?


What's "HELLENIC" about the Greeks???